LEAVE OR REMAIN
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The centre of London has a much higher immigrant population from the commonwealth that are allowed to vote as well as many ethnics that are British citizens. It also has a much larger amount of affluent voters than the rest of the country.
I would expect areas in London with less ethnicities to be closer and the outskirts (apart from Luton) to be slight leaves.
I would expect areas in London with less ethnicities to be closer and the outskirts (apart from Luton) to be slight leaves.
For political junkies (forgetting the consequences of the result), this is exciting. So, so close.
But look at what you just wrote-- "IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY." What makes it "your country?" That you are a citizen. And who is "we?" Not humanity at at large, but your fellow citizens.
This is "your country" so you shouldn't have to deal with certain conditions. And if that means that other people have to go back to "their country" and live under even worse conditions, then too bad. I mean, not that you don't feel bad for them, but basically if it's you vs them, you're picking "you."
If this weren't the case, you could simply decide that NO ONE should have to work under certain conditions (in the UK or anywhere else) and put your effort into supporting the UN Human Rights Council or Amnesty International or something like that. Because withdrawing from the EU ostensibly to help British workers certainly isn't doing much for the migrants. It's just helping British people (supposedly). So it's totally about immigrants. It can be about immigrants without being xenophobic or racist, but it's still about immigrants.
Also, you're not going to get those jobs back by withdrawing from the EU. TBF, you wouldn't get them back if you demanded living wages, either. They're just gone. Until the whole world decides on rules that apply to everyone. Until then, manufacturing businesses will always use the cheapest labor. If it isn't in England, they'll just go somewhere else. They don't care who they pay or where they pay them, as long as it's cheap.
Dosen't look good at all. From this there's nothing really to suggest the English co-joining blue pattern will ease.
Think so - it's hardcore, wealthy Tory, but they will want to look after their money.
Like I said earlier. The EU is loaning money to take jobs away from the EU. They should have been loaning money to these companies or maybe even incentivising these companies to create jobs in the poorer EU countries. I had a very nice discussion a few weeks ago with a Lithuanian about the catch22 of Lithuanians having to go to Germany or the UK to find work which then means that Lithuania loses the talent that could help the country grow. The EU and its policies has caused "brain drain" across the poorer EU countries and then champions it's freedom of movement policy as this great success.
You cannot blame people for looking after themselves and if having to vote out of the EU means that things won't get even harder for them then that is what they will do. IT is called human nature. Should I think of what jobs will be left when my children reach working age if they don't have the luck of being clever enough to go into further education? Or should I worry about other people?
Watch the maps. Everywhere there is low paid factory or farm work is voting leave. That is the millions of displaced British workers voting because they want to work and not be given free handouts and pushed onto schemes to keep the unemployment figures low.
Yes it is me vs them but not because I don't like them. My wife and my in laws are "them". I have to protect me and my family first. That is human nature.
Wales is full of low paid factories and the EU is paying some Welsh farmers not to farm in Wales. I will find a post I got from someone welsh on Disqus:
Wales has not benefitted from being in the EU. Spain had the fishing rights, France the Agriculture ,
Britain produced luscious strawberries, and potatoes etc. Now we have substandard vegetables, you try to find a Bean in runner beans .!!! Young Welsh Farmers leased land from Russia to try to
make a living because they were no longer allowed to grow in their own Country.
It is looking increasingly likely that the result will be 'remain' BL***y Politicians.!!!!
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