LEAVE OR REMAIN

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LEAVE OR REMAIN

  • LEAVE

    Votes: 33 30.3%

  • REMAIN

    Votes: 76 69.7%
  • Total voters
    109
  • Poll closed .
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David Davies is loving it. Grinning like a Cheshire cat. Next Tory leader there ;)
 
The speed of declarations picking up now so I won't be able to keep them all up. Also moving from the desk to my bed.

Dundee just voted remain with 60%.
 
Kettering where there are a lot of factories that "can't get British workers" votes massively to leave.
 
ImpSaint said:
People aren't demonising migrants as an alien race. And they don't blame anyone for wanting to improve their lives. They are seeing this as that they have no choice but to vote out because the governments have not listened to them. This is nothing to do with the financial crisis or the crash. People were trying to tell the establishment that employers were ditching the British workers way before the financial crisis.

The BBC are over analysing this. It is all about jobs that people want to do but can't get because agencies with tiny offices in the UK recruiting in Europe and putting EU migrants straight into jobs that British workers DO want to do because they were doing them.

My wife is a migrant. Yesterday I watched the Portugal game with my black portuguese wife, my black portuguese brother in law, One of his Polish friends and one of his portuguese friends. I have no gripe with the people as most don't it is with the policies, the denials and the complete ignorance by the establishment that this was real and not bigotry.

Maybe in places like Hampshire and Suffolk it is hard to comprehend but it is seen up here as a mass cull of the British worker and the establishment's reply? meh you're all bigoted racist xenophobes.
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A nuanced centre-right leave reasoning was totally fumbled by Johnson (to the point he was practically shelved come the crunch), and on the left suppressed by Corbin's heeding to the party line; leaving no leaders for many liberal leavers to rally behind. Which is great for isolated independent thinking; but perhaps not great for galvanising an alternative to what the demagogue Farage re-emerged with, when he latterly stepped into the vaccum that those two or others could have filled. I think quite a lot of potential Leavers wouldn't of liked the smell of that fellow traveller's breath.

EDIT: WOW things are shifting!! Kinda worried now :(
 
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Archers Road said:
Afraid so. Makes no sense at all handing the most important decision of a generation over to the ill informed, the angry and the ignorant.
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Its called democracy. The fact that you think people are misinformed is part of the problem. People don't need to be informed of anything when they have personally experienced being turfed out of their jobs and then had to listen to politicians say it is all about immigrants when it isn't, it is about immigration.

Nothing to do with the people, everything to do with jobs. They should have listened instead properly and realised it is not about the people coming in and everything to do with the policies that have pushed people out of work.
 
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SaintJack said:
A nuanced centre-right leave reasoning was totally fumbled by Johnson (to the point he was practically shelved come the crunch), and on the left suppressed by Corbin's heeding to the party line; leaving no leaders for many liberal leavers to rally behind. Which is great for isolated independent thinking; but perhaps not great for galvanising an alternative to what the demagogue Farage re-emerged with, when he latterly stepped into the vaccum that those two or others could have filled. I think quite a lot of potential Leavers wouldn't of liked the smell of that fellow traveller's breath.
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UKIP didn't go from 1 million votes to 4 million votes because people liked UKIPs policies. They liked one policy and the more the main parties ignored that policy those people feel they have no choice but to vote UKIP/Leave.

I don't want to vote UKIP, I want to vote Tory. Labour working class don't want to vote UKIP they want to vote Labour but when you are left feeling you have no choice then a lot of them voted UKIP.

If the Tories hadn't offered the referendum UKIP would have hit 6 million at teh last election and we would have had a coalition.

If we vote to remain tonight UKIP will reach minimum 7m in 2020 and quite possibly become the second largest party in terms of seats, maybe even win the whole thing. They don't need many more to go over to them to turn all those seconds in the last election into wins and all those that went from UKIP back to Tory to get the referendum will go back to UKIP.

Leaving might be the lesser of 2 evils. Do you want UKIP in power? So many people have misjudged the mood of the lower paid working class. Surely you are realising now that they weren't just bothered about foreigners.
 
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