But he was on the side of the track and could not move over any more! Where was he supposed to go?
Karthikeyan gets a penalty
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But he was on the side of the track and could not move over any more! Where was he supposed to go?
Vettel should have waited until he was on the straight not midway through a corner. Both are to blame.
allsaintchris:2545638 said:
The Kitty Litter! The peons need to just move!
Off with their wings!!!
Petrov blames Vettel entirely.
I could have sworn Karthikeyan jinked right. Must be my eyes.
Vitaly Petrov said:
I could have sworn Karthikeyan jinked right. Must be my eyes.
TomTom94
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Karthikeyan moves right a bit I think, much like Kobayashi on Hamilton at Spa, the cause of the incident is the driver in front staying straight and not looking in his mirrors.
You can clearly see that Vettel stays straight and NK in his own words "jinks right" and touched the Red Bulls tyre, if NK had stayed straight as well and not tried to tuck in behind he would not have made contact.
And as for those who says NK stays straight and SV turns left I dont know what race you were watching, definetly not the one we were watching.
Narain wasn't even looking in front where Seb was, check the videos. He was looking in his left mirror the whole way to contact which is quite bold considering the speed he was going.
Stop at 1:02 and you can clearly see Narain looking in his left mirror all the way to 1:08
[video=youtube;tkQBPy_k4vA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkQBPy_k4vA[/video]
If Narain was actually watching what was going on in front he would of seen that Seb was already past. He complains about rumble strips where he wasn't even touching them.
Stop at 1:02 and you can clearly see Narain looking in his left mirror all the way to 1:08
[video=youtube;tkQBPy_k4vA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkQBPy_k4vA[/video]
If Narain was actually watching what was going on in front he would of seen that Seb was already past. He complains about rumble strips where he wasn't even touching them.
Exactly! You can also see as clear as night and day here that SV keeps straight and NK turns right.
had you bothered to watch the replay you would see how inaccurate that statement was
ERR.. Vettel cuts across him too early - his fault - unless you are supposed to brake when in the presence of God.
Are you watching a different race? Watch the replay above and you can clearly see that Vettel remains straight (this can be seen on the onboard shot from his car as he remains the same distance from the edge of the track) and Karthikeyan "jinks right".
Who decides who has to do the Thursday press conferences? I wonder if they'll stick Karthikeyan and Vettel on and whether one of them will have a little clipboard...
Fancy being any more condescending to other members on this thread?
Seeing as there is a definite split in opinon, what makes you think you're so ****ing right?
I think that settles it....I didnt notice in the nomal speed replay but yes Vettel does look in his left mirror and move away from Karthikeyan, meanwhile the Indian is looking in his left mirror too, doesnt realise Vettel is there and touches him. I dont see how any blame can be aportiond to Vettel when we can see he tres to avoid a crash. There was at least 2 cars width between Vettel and the edge of the track so to say Vettel left him no room is basically...rubbish! 
I could be more condescending if I wanted, but I doubt you'd understand if I was.
I know there's a lull in the action at the moment but I can't help thinking some people would do well to cool it a bit. We all have opinions and in my experience of fora, it is rare to get someone else to have a fundamental change of view.
It should be obvious that such disagreement in a forum is likely when the drivers themselves had at least some sort of misunderstanding on track. But getting angry here because someone else may disagree, or worse: directing one's responses in a deliberately provocative or offensive manner at another member (or demanding 'proof' about unprovables and then claiming some sort of victory to laud it over one's perceived opponent), simply because someone expresses an opinion, is about as puerile as it gets and only likely to inflame other people, causing further polarization of opinion.
To my knowledge, Karthikeyan has not claimed that he was entirely innocent - but surely blameworthiness is not what we should be really focussed upon; after all, there are lots of incidents over a season. No, what Karthikeyan appears to have objected to is a wholly unnecessary, somewhat inflammatory on-track response to disappointment; a rather arrogant defence by Vettel and his team; and an apparently compliant governing body which he clearly believes to show bias to the more powerful - as well as the proverbial deaf ear at which to voice his own opinion.
So can we not look at the bigger picture and avoid pursuing unsolvable minutiae as a vendetta against inevitable disagreement expressed in a forum?
It should be obvious that such disagreement in a forum is likely when the drivers themselves had at least some sort of misunderstanding on track. But getting angry here because someone else may disagree, or worse: directing one's responses in a deliberately provocative or offensive manner at another member (or demanding 'proof' about unprovables and then claiming some sort of victory to laud it over one's perceived opponent), simply because someone expresses an opinion, is about as puerile as it gets and only likely to inflame other people, causing further polarization of opinion.
To my knowledge, Karthikeyan has not claimed that he was entirely innocent - but surely blameworthiness is not what we should be really focussed upon; after all, there are lots of incidents over a season. No, what Karthikeyan appears to have objected to is a wholly unnecessary, somewhat inflammatory on-track response to disappointment; a rather arrogant defence by Vettel and his team; and an apparently compliant governing body which he clearly believes to show bias to the more powerful - as well as the proverbial deaf ear at which to voice his own opinion.
So can we not look at the bigger picture and avoid pursuing unsolvable minutiae as a vendetta against inevitable disagreement expressed in a forum?