Transfer Rumours January Transfers Thread

[Warmir Pouchov]

Keep it up mate, idiots like you chased out Robson as the happy clappers settled for the failure of fifth place. Tell me when you have found another charlatan multi trophy winner who took out poor relegated squad to the championship title ready to step into this shambles.

It’s just an opinion. I really liked Robson, he was a top manager. This guy is just a fat Spanish waiter. Poor relegated squad he spent 63.75m on to scrape the championship title on the last day. What a difficult shake he had.

You are just getting tetchy because you don’t like a few Rafa facts. As lickle Tom Cruise once said, you can’t handle the truth

 

[haslam]

It’s just an opinion. I really liked Robson, he was a top manager. This guy is just a fat Spanish waiter. Poor relegated squad he spent 63.75m on to scrape the championship title on the last day. What a difficult shake he had.

You are just getting tetchy because you don’t like a few Rafa facts. As lickle Tom Cruise once said, you can’t handle the truth

Pretty sure it was Jack Nicholson who said that [HASHTAG]#Rafafact[/HASHTAG]

 

[Lord Jonjomort]

Head burying. These are facts. Not disputable. These are the figures in play for the various managers. Whichever way its dressed up, Rafa has got it wrong. The context of this season is ridiculous. Budgets are impacted by what your spend the year before obviously. Rafa thought money was better spent on getting out of the championship. He is allowed to spend what we generate. We generated a huge amount of money from sales. If he had spent what Huddersfield did he'd have had we had to buy 103m to spend on the team this season. Not realistic because we had so many players is the cry. Huddersfield added 15 players to their first team squad though...

More than Newcastle.

Even say Brighton if he'd spent the 22m they spent over two seasons to get out (signing 21 players - thats right an entire squad). Rafa would still have had 86m to spend this season. I don't want to hear Ashley wouldn't have given him it or some other made up excuse, because in reality he has. I wonder where we'd be if we'd been spending that extra 42m on PL quality players?

I think the argument for Rafa is ridiculous to be honest. This is backed up by facts not the RHC silly made up stuff,

The blokes a ****ing charlatan fooling naive fans. He's had the money and has zero excuses.

Mate youre contradicting your own argument. My point is that Brighton and Hudds are allowed to add far more than we are. They appear to have considerably better scouting, youth and admin setups funded by owners who want to over achieve. If that isnt an obvious indictment of the fat overlord then you are beyond reason and help!!

You refuse to acknowledge net spend as something to consider either. I guess you also dont much care for the fact Rafa had to replace around 6 of his first eleven when we got relegated? That Summer, which is the main contributor to your point, we made around £20m profit. That same summer Brighton and Hudds lost zero players from their starting eleven. They strengthened. We did not strengthen. We made a profit replacing six first team players, then won the division. Its practically impossible to understand what your point is.

Rafa spent more. Fact. Rafa had to replace far more and cope with relegation. Fact. Rafa won the division. Fact. Rafa made more profit in player transfers than the other two example put together. Fact. We underspent in the Summer and didnt spend in Jan, unlike the other two. Fact.

 

[Warmir Pouchov]

Pretty sure it was Jack Nicholson who said that [HASHTAG]#Rafafact[/HASHTAG]

It was indeed

 

[Warmir Pouchov]

Mate youre contradicting your own argument. My point is that Brighton and Hudds are allowed to add far more than we are. They appear to have considerably better scouting, youth and admin setups funded by owners who want to over achieve. If that isnt an obvious indictment of the fat overlord then you are beyond reason and help!!

You refuse to acknowledge net spend as something to consider either. I guess you also dont much care for the fact Rafa had to replace around 6 of his first eleven when we got relegated? That Summer, which is the main contributor to your point, we made around £20m profit. That same summer Brighton and Hudds lost zero players from their starting eleven. They strengthened. We did not strengthen. We made a profit replacing six first team players, then won the division. Its practically impossible to understand what your point is.

Rafa spent more. Fact. Rafa had to replace far more and cope with relegation. Fact. Rafa won the division. Fact. Rafa made more profit in player transfers than the other two example put together. Fact. We underspent in the Summer and didnt spend in Jan, unlike the other two. Fact.

I haven't contradicted anything mate.

Huddersfield had to add 15 in the same summer window and buy almost an entire first eleven to get promoted - so that doesn't stack up. Hughton bought 21 players over 2-3 windows to get promoted. They faced similar challenges of getting a lot of players to gel in short timeframes. They simply did it for less money.

You're ignoring that we overspent to get out of the championship and that directly impacted on our ability to spend to stay in the PL. There is not some money tree in the corner of SJP. He knew he could spend what was generated. He was fortunate in that we came down and generated an enormous amount of money due to some crazy bids. Essentially he decided to buy his way out and then bank on Mike providing money out of his own pocket which he had been told wasn't going to happen. Or he thought the players he bought then would be good enough to keep us up in the PL.Those are the two options.

I don't have a problem with it, its his choice. Personally I think he got it the wrong way round. I think he should have kept 30m-40m back, at the very least 20m. However if he keeps us up he can say I did it the right way round because I now have access to the PL TV money. I will still think he could have made it easier but results are results. What I do have a problem with is fans lying and claiming he has been hard done to. He hasn't. He has spent an enormous amount of money. He has been allowed to spend every penny we've generated which is what he signed up to. He is playing naive fans through the media. I get it, he has to put pressure on and he moreorless admitted its his job to get as much as possible out of the owner.

108m. Regardless of these hollow excuses. He has had it easier than both Wagner and Hughton.

 

[Eddie's British Plodders]

There is not some money tree in the corner of SJP.

Alright Theresa, keep your knickers on. Please.

 

[haslam]

Alright Theresa, keep your knickers on. Please.

I'm really not keen on the imagery of Theresa lowering her knickers to reveal a magic money tree which Ashley can then bleed dry.

 

[magpie290761]

It’s just an opinion. I really liked Robson, he was a top manager. This guy is just a fat Spanish waiter. Poor relegated squad he spent 63.75m on to scrape the championship title on the last day. What a difficult shake he had.

You are just getting tetchy because you don’t like a few Rafa facts. As lickle Tom Cruise once said, you can’t handle the truth

non of us know what Rafa was led to believe when he came but from reactions we have seen and heard he appears to have believed that after selling to raise a lot of money he could spend a lot of that (not all spent) building a promotion team, strengthen in January for a final push then after hopefully gaining promotion money would be available to strengthen again for the PL.
He was sold short in January but still underachieved his way to the title but was then again sold short in the summer as Ashley protected his cash in the hope of selling the club.
This “waiters” achievements in winning things are there to be seen, no apologists needed for him and when backed, in his only full season for us yet, had a target of promotion and achieved it with the title.
Undoubtedly he spent a lot, not taking into account sales to raise more than that, to do the job but we’ll never know if he could have done it on a smaller budget so he can’t be criticised for using what he raised and was promised. Job done. The lack of backing in January was a mistake as prices rocketed further in summer when again he wasn’t backed.
No man is infallible but his record speaks for itself. Do we permanently want gamble managers and journeymen or hard men with no achievements in charge here?
We won’t always agree with things he does but that’s part of the fun of football all having opinions. However, he’s won things as opposed to keyboard managers in social media who haven’t.

 

[G4rdToonArmy]

No man is infallible but his record speaks for itself. Do we permanently want gamble managers and journeymen or hard men with no achievements in charge here?
.

No man is but I think not many would say that to Vinnie Jones' face and I think he'd be a barrell of laughs as a manager. Pardew pushing assistants and nutting players would look like childs play when Vinnie set's the Old Trafford turf on fire with petrol after knocking out each and every member of staff at Man U...and tbh this is probably the only way we are winning on Sunday.

 

[Warmir Pouchov]

non of us know what Rafa was led to believe when he came but from reactions we have seen and heard he appears to have believed that after selling to raise a lot of money he could spend a lot of that (not all spent) building a promotion team, strengthen in January for a final push then after hopefully gaining promotion money would be available to strengthen again for the PL.
He was sold short in January but still underachieved his way to the title but was then again sold short in the summer as Ashley protected his cash in the hope of selling the club.
This “waiters” achievements in winning things are there to be seen, no apologists needed for him and when backed, in his only full season for us yet, had a target of promotion and achieved it with the title.
Undoubtedly he spent a lot, not taking into account sales to raise more than that, to do the job but we’ll never know if he could have done it on a smaller budget so he can’t be criticised for using what he raised and was promised. Job done. The lack of backing in January was a mistake as prices rocketed further in summer when again he wasn’t backed.
No man is infallible but his record speaks for itself. Do we permanently want gamble managers and journeymen or hard men with no achievements in charge here?
We won’t always agree with things he does but that’s part of the fun of football all having opinions. However, he’s won things as opposed to keyboard managers in social media who haven’t.

I don’t have a problem with him to be honest. It’s the keyboard warriors saying he hasn’t been backed. He’s had the money. He’s done it his way. You can’t spend all your money and then wonder why there isn’t as much next season. He’s had a budget over two seasons to get us promoted and have a good chance of staying in the PL. if he does that job done. If he doesn’t he has failed and may reflect on the money he spent in the league below as one of the reasons for failing. It certainly won’t be all down to Ashley or Charnley as the keyboard warriors like to have everyone believe

 

[Lord Jonjomort]

I don’t have a problem with him to be honest. It’s the keyboard warriors saying he hasn’t been backed. He’s had the money. He’s done it his way. You can’t spend all your money and then wonder why there isn’t as much next season. He’s had a budget over two seasons to get us promoted and have a good chance of staying in the PL. if he does that job done. If he doesn’t he has failed and may reflect on the money he spent in the league below as one of the reasons for failing. It certainly won’t be all down to Ashley or Charnley as the keyboard warriors like to have everyone believe

Woah, woah, woah. Who's saying he hasn't been backed?? Everyone I've seen on here says he hasn't been backed ENOUGH. Mainly because Mike hasn't allowed the spend of the money due to come in from the PL. Why? Because Mike plans to fail, our club worries first, plans second. This is not an owner to be lauded, mate, I don't know why you keep up the act.

I am not Rafa but I would put my house on the fact he thought he was going to get "every penny the club generates" (The Fat One's words, not mine, not Rafa's). What I don't think he perceived was he wouldn't be allowed access to funds ahead of them being paid. We are the only club EVER to operate in this way. If that doesn't clear up what's wrong with Mike ****ing Ashley's model, nothing will! It's already contributed to two relegations and could well preside over a third. Using PL money to support a Championship wage bill, thus missing out on a year's PL money is so ****ing stupid I can't get my head around it.

 

[Warmir Pouchov]

Woah, woah, woah. Who's saying he hasn't been backed?? Everyone I've seen on here says he hasn't been backed ENOUGH. Mainly because Mike hasn't allowed the spend of the money due to come in from the PL. Why? Because Mike plans to fail, our club worries first, plans second. This is not an owner to be lauded, mate, I don't know why you keep up the act.

I am not Rafa but I would put my house on the fact he thought he was going to get "every penny the club generates" (The Fat One's words, not mine, not Rafa's). What I don't think he perceived was he wouldn't be allowed access to funds ahead of them being paid. We are the only club EVER to operate in this way. If that doesn't clear up what's wrong with Mike ****ing Ashley's model, nothing will! It's already contributed to two relegations and could well preside over a third. Using PL money to support a Championship wage bill, thus missing out on a year's PL money is so ****ing stupid I can't get my head around it.

He shouldn’t have needed it. He should have had more money left from last summer. Ashley just wants us run properly rather than on the never never. We tried spending the money early under McClaren. Pumped in £77m and outspent most of Europe. We went down. Despite this he still gave the next manager complete freedom how to spend the clubs money. It sounds to me you are saying he should have been allowed to spend the 63.75m in the championship and then we should have dipped into TV money which hadn’t yet arrived I.e. generated. That seems a bit ott to me. If we continue that cycle to its conclusion we’d probably end up in big financial hole at some stage given we will never make the financial jump under this owner to guarantee PL safety. We will never have that kind of money. Yes Huddersfield and Brighton have had to take risks we didn’t need to. If either go down, I’d put a good bit on them not bouncing back first time as a result.

Yes we could have spent wildly like we did last season, and another 80m this season. Balls in if you like. Would it have guaranteed anything? No. It’s irresponsible and playing roulette with the clubs future health. Why? Because a few idiot supporters are getting their pitch forks out? I’m glad he told them to **** off.

 

[magpie290761]

He shouldn’t have needed it. He should have had more money left from last summer. Ashley just wants us run properly rather than on the never never. We tried spending the money early under McClaren. Pumped in £77m and outspent most of Europe. We went down. Despite this he still gave the next manager complete freedom how to spend the clubs money. It sounds to me you are saying he should have been allowed to spend the 63.75m in the championship and then we should have dipped into TV money which hadn’t yet arrived I.e. generated. That seems a bit ott to me. If we continue that cycle to its conclusion we’d probably end up in big financial hole at some stage given we will never make the financial jump under this owner to guarantee PL safety. We will never have that kind of money. Yes Huddersfield and Brighton have had to take risks we didn’t need to. If either go down, I’d put a good bit on them not bouncing back first time as a result.

Yes we could have spent wildly like we did last season, and another 80m this season. Balls in if you like. Would it have guaranteed anything? No. It’s irresponsible and playing roulette with the clubs future health. Why? Because a few idiot supporters are getting their pitch forks out? I’m glad he told them to **** off.

I think the point is that he appears to have been given the impression that more money was forthcoming otherwise maybe he wouldn’t have spent so much the previous summer or told them to go get a Steve Bruce manager in instead. Appears to not have been told the truth. That’s why the proverbial pitchforks are out

 

[Freddd]

It’s just an opinion. I really liked Robson, he was a top manager. This guy is just a fat Spanish waiter. Poor relegated squad he spent 63.75m on to scrape the championship title on the last day. What a difficult shake he had.

You are just getting tetchy because you don’t like a few Rafa facts. As lickle Tom Cruise once said, you can’t handle the truth

Get it right mate: that was Nicholson. I knew your research was dodgy.

 

[Warmir Pouchov]

Get it right mate: that was Nicholson. I knew your research was dodgy.

Your late to this party. Haslam has beat you to it.

 

[haslam]

Your late to this party. Haslam has beat you to it.

It's all good, he loves my sloppy seconds

 

[Warmir Pouchov]

I think the point is that he appears to have been given the impression that more money was forthcoming otherwise maybe he wouldn’t have spent so much the previous summer or told them to go get a Steve Bruce manager in instead. Appears to not have been told the truth. That’s why the proverbial pitchforks are out

I can’t see how that would be the case. He was told everything we generate. I’m not sure how Benitez can have worked out there would be more when we haven’t generated it. He appears to have had everything we have generated so I think he’s had a fair shake. It’s also been sufficient looking at it.

 

[Albert's Chip Shop]

I haven't contradicted anything mate.

Huddersfield had to add 15 in the same summer window and buy almost an entire first eleven to get promoted - so that doesn't stack up. Hughton bought 21 players over 2-3 windows to get promoted. They faced similar challenges of getting a lot of players to gel in short timeframes. They simply did it for less money.

You're ignoring that we overspent to get out of the championship and that directly impacted on our ability to spend to stay in the PL. There is not some money tree in the corner of SJP. He knew he could spend what was generated. He was fortunate in that we came down and generated an enormous amount of money due to some crazy bids. Essentially he decided to buy his way out and then bank on Mike providing money out of his own pocket which he had been told wasn't going to happen. Or he thought the players he bought then would be good enough to keep us up in the PL.Those are the two options.

I don't have a problem with it, its his choice. Personally I think he got it the wrong way round. I think he should have kept 30m-40m back, at the very least 20m. However if he keeps us up he can say I did it the right way round because I now have access to the PL TV money. I will still think he could have made it easier but results are results. What I do have a problem with is fans lying and claiming he has been hard done to. He hasn't. He has spent an enormous amount of money. He has been allowed to spend every penny we've generated which is what he signed up to. He is playing naive fans through the media. I get it, he has to put pressure on and he moreorless admitted its his job to get as much as possible out of the owner.

108m. Regardless of these hollow excuses. He has had it easier than both Wagner and Hughton.

^^ ^^
Tolstoy esque beel right there

 

[magpie290761]

I can’t see how that would be the case. He was told everything we generate. I’m not sure how Benitez can have worked out there would be more when we haven’t generated it. He appears to have had everything we have generated so I think he’s had a fair shake. It’s also been sufficient looking at it.

You miss the point that the everything we generate quote was last summer not the previous one or January and everything from Rafas quotes points to more having been expected. He also presents a business plan so it isn’t just gimme gimme. If he had previously been told the everything we generate bit I doubt he would be expecting fortunes above that, you make out he’s thick.
Not convinced he has had everything we have generated either mind.

 

[Warmir Pouchov]

You miss the point that the everything we generate quote was last summer not the previous one or January and everything from Rafas quotes points to more having been expected. He also presents a business plan so it isn’t just gimme gimme. If he had previously been told the everything we generate bit I doubt he would be expecting fortunes above that, you make out he’s thick.
Not convinced he has had everything we have generated either mind.

I think he’s anything but thick. Manipulating maybe, thick no.