James McClean

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Home_and_Away said:
I've heard that horrible Irish prick called a lot of things but 'charming' ain't one of them!!
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So McClean's a tw*t and you gave him dogs all game: Fenian this, Irish that. Fair enough, he brought all that on himself. I've no problem with that.

But when he goes over and raises his fist at you at the end of the game all of a sudden you're losing the rag over it. So what? Why so fukking precious? Its like he's run over, pulled off his shirt and wiped his arse with the crest. Talk about an OTT reaction.

You sound like a bunch of crybabies!
 
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BrunelGooner said:
I don't understand your point. I don't condone that behaviour either, but needless to say, running the length of the pitch to slide on your knees after just scoring a goal would most likely provoke more of a hostile reaction that just swinging your arm in like 3 seconds.

It also has no relevance to fans - in general, and yes, that does include Arsenal fans - making the environment better for children, if we also want the players to follow suit.
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Whilst on the field of player, every player is surely expected to adhere to certain rules?

When celebrating a goal why do players get yellow cards for exuberant celebrations..?
Yep...you've guessed it... It's inciting behaviour / provocation.

McClean 'was', 'is' and 'always' will be a pathetic human being IMO !
 
Home_and_Away said:
Whilst on the field of player, every player is surely expected to adhere to certain rules?
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I think there's two sides to this argument. You're right in what you're saying - especially as he is a professional footballer - however, when you're subjected to abuse and mockery from fans that don't like you throughout a match and you give a little bit back, I don't think there's anything fundamentally wrong with that.

As humans, our emotions can get the better of us at times. That doesn't justify what he did nor what happened in the aftermath, but no amount of money in the world can stop you from reacting a certain way instinctively.

That said, there could be more to the McClean issue that I'm not familiar with.

When celebrating a goal why do players get yellow cards for exuberant celebrations..?
Yep...you've guessed it... It's inciting behaviour / provocation.
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My manager has had numerous disgusting chants directed at him by fans such as being a kiddy fiddler and songs about ****philia. Do you not think this can also incite behaviour and provocation too? It just seems to me that fans can say pretty much whatever they like, so long as it isn't a form of racism, and can get away with it. It's not entirely fair in that respect.
 
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Swords Hoopster. said:
So McClean's a tw*t and you gave him dogs all game: Fenian this, Irish that. Fair enough, he brought all that on himself. I've no problem with that.
But when he goes over and raises his fist at you at the end of the game all of a sudden you're losing the rag over it. So what? Why so fukking precious? Its like he's run over, pulled off his shirt and wiped his arse with the crest. Talk about an OTT reaction.
You sound like a bunch of crybabies!
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You should read up on his past behaviour... He's a horrible bastard and is in my opinion EVERYTHING that is wrong with the modern day footballer.
Crybabies.... ??? Not a chance.... there will be over 40,000 again at the weekend singing there hearts out.
We don't need to go an extra few tube stations to see a proper crowd :emoticon-0148-yes:
 
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BrunelGooner said:
I think there's two sides to this argument. You're right in what you're saying - especially as he is a professional footballer - however, when you're subjected to abuse and mockery from fans that don't like you throughout a match and you give a little bit back, I don't think there's anything fundamentally wrong with that.

As humans, our emotions can get the better of us at times. That doesn't justify what he did nor what happened in the aftermath, but no amount of money in the world can stop you from reacting a certain way instinctively.

That said, there could be more to the McClean issue that I'm not familiar with.



My manager has had numerous disgusting chants directed at him by fans such as being a kiddy fiddler and songs about ****philia. Do you not think this can also incite behaviour and provocation too? It just seems to me that fans can say pretty much whatever they like, so long as it isn't a form of racism, and can get away with it. It's not entirely fair in that respect.
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lots of very valid points .......

however you seem to have missed that he is a massive ****ing helmet
 
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BrunelGooner said:
I think there's two sides to this argument. You're right in what you're saying - especially as he is a professional footballer - however, when you're subjected to abuse and mockery from fans that don't like you throughout a match and you give a little bit back, I don't think there's anything fundamentally wrong with that.

As humans, our emotions can get the better of us at times. That doesn't justify what he did nor what happened in the aftermath, but no amount of money in the world can stop you from reacting a certain way instinctively.

That said, there could be more to the McClean issue that I'm not familiar with.



My manager has had numerous disgusting chants directed at him by fans such as being a kiddy fiddler and songs about ****philia. Do you not think this can also incite behaviour and provocation too? It just seems to me that fans can say pretty much whatever they like, so long as it isn't a form of racism, and can get away with it. It's not entirely fair in that respect.
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I agree.... Adam Johnson got barracked (rightly or wrongly) when on the pitch but as a professional footballer didn't feel the need to 'confront' the crowd ?
 
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Home_and_Away said:
You should read up on his past behaviour... He's a horrible bastard and is in my opinion EVERYTHING that is wrong with the modern day footballer.Crybabies.... ??? Not a chance.... there will be over 40,000 again at the weekend singing there hearts out.
We don't need to go an extra few tube stations to see a proper crowd :emoticon-0148-yes:
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I know everything about his past behaviour. And like I said he's a prize tw*t. But you lads haven't covered yourselves in glory either. From what I've heard, I hope none of the Irish Sunderland fans were in that crowd today with the sh1t that was being sung.

He's from Northern Ireland which is half full of lunatics, both loyalist and republican, but the stuff you lads are saying even on this thread is chucking the whole of Ireland in with those nutcases from the north. Sounds to me like that clampit McClean has brought the worst out of you Mackems too.
 
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Swords Hoopster. said:
I know everything about his past behaviour. And like I said he's a prize tw*t. But you lads haven't covered yourselves in glory either. From what I've heard, I hope none of the Irish Sunderland fans were in that crowd today with the sh1t that was being sung.

He's from Northern Ireland which is half full of lunatics, both loyalist and republican, but the stuff you lads are saying even on this thread is chucking the whole of Ireland in with those nutcases from the north. Sounds to me like that clampit McClean has brought the worst out of you Mackems too.
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Well thanks for your input chum.
Don't call us, we'll call you. <ok>
 
Swords Hoopster. said:
I know everything about his past behaviour. And like I said he's a prize tw*t. But you lads haven't covered yourselves in glory either. From what I've heard, I hope none of the Irish Sunderland fans were in that crowd today with the sh1t that was being sung.
He's from Northern Ireland which is half full of lunatics, both loyalist and republican, but the stuff you lads are saying even on this thread is chucking the whole of Ireland in with those nutcases from the north. Sounds to me like that clampit McClean has brought the worst out of you Mackems too.
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I haven't once mentioned anyone other than McClean and would not dream of typecasting a whole nation on the 'attitude' of one scumbag.
I'm all for passion at matches and have no problems with fans giving players 'what for' and vice versa... This isn't about fans being 'precious' or players not being able to show emotions...
It's about McClean being a horrible twat... Nothing deeper :emoticon-0148-yes:
 
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BrunelGooner said:
That's fair enough to be honest. All I know about McClean is that he isn't very patriotic, he was once a player for Sunderland and, having joined a new club, he pumped his fists in front of your fans after the match. There may well be more to it than just that, I just gave my opinion based on my (admittedly little) knowledge of the situation.
Of course. And our fans that day massively overreacted too. My point still stands, though.
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There is mate. A lot more to it than that.

It has nothing to do with his football ability (or lack of it) but more to do with his personal affiliations.

He alienated himself from the fans on Remembrance Sunday with his showing of contempt for the servicemen who gave their lives in defence of this country. He may be right, he may be wrong. It`s not for me to judge.

I would say though, whatever his beliefs, he was wrong to bring religious/political views on to the football field. That is where the rift began.
 
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BrunelGooner said:
As an Arsenal fan, I realise this situation has **** all to do with me, but I just wanted to say that if your argument is that he/other footballers should set exemplary behaviour for children, then fans at the ground should follow suit too because all sorts of vitriolic abuse and profanities are used in the crowd which children have to listen to for 90 minutes or more. Not exactly a reasonable environment for a kid to be in to hear that language, is it?

McClean doesn't seem like the brightest tool in the box, and what he did no doubt exacerbated the situation, but I just think the whole thing is a storm in a teacup. From the video itself, it didn't seem that bad. The way Graham and Cattermole reacted was ludicrous as well.

Just my opinion on the matter.
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I agree, some of the **** that comes off the terraces is shocking, that's it's own thing, I'm sure there's a thread on it. But that doesn't really transfer into the living room. Living rooms all over the planet watched by millions. Like I said, spotlight.
 
Swords Hoopster. said:
I know everything about his past behaviour. And like I said he's a prize tw*t. But you lads haven't covered yourselves in glory either. From what I've heard, I hope none of the Irish Sunderland fans were in that crowd today with the sh1t that was being sung.

He's from Northern Ireland which is half full of lunatics, both loyalist and republican, but the stuff you lads are saying even on this thread is chucking the whole of Ireland in with those nutcases from the north. Sounds to me like that clampit McClean has brought the worst out of you Mackems too.
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Wow, if you're going to point your fingers at posters at least name who you're accusing and man up instead of labeling all of us, at least then your point can actually stands a chance of carrying weight. <ok>
 
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