Is Warnock Right?

[Roystonblue]

Regarding the Sala issue, it is for the authorities to sort out who he was legally contracted to at the time & for that club to take the money hit on the chin once resolved. I agree with an earlier post that the main issue with this whole saga is that it should have never been made public. 2 sets of families and friends are grieving and you have 2 clubs squabbling over money (albeit a large sum) - this should have been done in private. Regarding the issue of the Chelsea goal, I have to admit that I couldn’t stop laughing- simply could not have happened to a nicer manager. After the game, he was “suggesting” that the assistant referee be sacked / dropped for x amount of games. I guess his players never make mistakes then, otherwise there would be no one left at the club.

 

[Yorkiegit26]

so would you dislike a club for changing colour of kit>>>>>some unknown race story which there is many on a constant basis or the non payment for a player that didn't play for you.

that's all smoke and mirrors for his dislike for us he only needed an excuse the only thing he`s afraid 2 say is that he hates us because we are welsh end of.....................don't worry I wouldn't report it im fully up for speaking your personal opinions.......its the smoke and mirrors part I don't like be straight or fk up

Westy? is that you?

 

[Oldsparkey]

Regarding the Sala issue, it is for the authorities to sort out who he was legally contracted to at the time & for that club to take the money hit on the chin once resolved. I agree with an earlier post that the main issue with this whole saga is that it should have never been made public. 2 sets of families and friends are grieving and you have 2 clubs squabbling over money (albeit a large sum) - this should have been done in private. Regarding the issue of the Chelsea goal, I have to admit that I couldn’t stop laughing- simply could not have happened to a nicer manager. After the game, he was “suggesting” that the assistant referee be sacked / dropped for x amount of games. I guess his players never make mistakes then, otherwise there would be no one left at the club.

Hey Royston - set your personal dislike of Warnock to one side for a moment mate and consider the implications of the matter. Players making mistakes are all part of the game and I agree, match officials are also only human. The thing is player's can only affect their own club - it's the huge impact that a poor official's decision (in our Chelsea game several) or even biased decisions in favour of so called "elite clubs" has on the future for others.

As far as the personal stuff with Warnock is concerned, no matter what anyone's personal opinions are, we wouldn't have got to the Premier League without him and you wouldn't be in League One next season if you'd had him.

I've got nothing against ITFC at all - in fact I enjoyed many an European night watching you guys on the box under Robson as a lad back in the day. Also the league fixtures between us in the Championship since have always been competitive. Good luck to you next year - looks like we're both dropping a division and wont be meeting for at least a season.

 

[Evesham]

Hey Royston - set your personal dislike of Warnock to one side for a moment mate and consider the implications of the matter. Players making mistakes are all part of the game and I agree, match officials are also only human. The thing is player's can only affect their own club - it's the huge impact that a poor official's decision (in our Chelsea game several) or even biased decisions in favour of so called "elite clubs" has on the future for others.

As far as the personal stuff with Warnock is concerned, no matter what anyone's personal opinions are, we wouldn't have got to the Premier League without him and you wouldn't be in League One next season if you'd had him.

I've got nothing against ITFC at all - in fact I enjoyed many an European night watching you guys on the box under Robson as a lad back in the day. Also the league fixtures between us in the Championship since have always been competitive. Good luck to you next year - looks like we're both dropping a division and wont be meeting for at least a season.

I was listening to a little bit of the Wolves Man utd game on radio 5 last night. I,m pretty sure if they could have jumped on the pitch & booted the ball into the Wolves net for UTD they would have.

 

[YorkieLancsHampyLondoner]

The thing is player's can only affect their own club - it's the huge impact that a poor official's decision (in our Chelsea game several) or even biased decisions in favour of so called "elite clubs" has on the future for others.

Unless the mistake is a leg breaking tackle or suspension or your name is Toby Alderweireld.

As we've learned with Mick McCarthy and as you are learning this season - there's no long term gain to having these kinds of manager in charge of a club. To have sustained success you need more than that.

 

[Oldsparkey]

As we've learned with Mick McCarthy and as you are learning this season - there's no long term gain to having these kinds of manager in charge of a club. To have sustained success you need more than that.

Totally agree with the longer term strategy point. It is certainly a case of horses for course in the short term - the problem is you need to sort out the short term first to avoid further damage.

We were going nowhere (except down) with Slade and then Trollope following the sacking of OGS. We were in free fall and we needed a manager to pull the club together - owner, players and supporters. Warnock turned the club around.

Now the argument changes to the difference between getting up and staying up - there is a good case to say we needed a new direction to stay up. There's also a case for ensuring as best you can that you don't go down. We made our choice and may have blown it in a very gifted division, whereas it should have been well within your grasp as a club to stay where you are in a very average division.

Dropping a division is sometimes seen as the start of a new renaissance for a club - ask Stoke and Swansea and you'll get a different answer even with their £50M parachute payments this season. Even Sunderland went where you're destined to go this season and they are being bullied the likes of Luton.

There is no certain way of sorting yourself out, it's just a matter of hitting the right buttons for the situation you're in at the time.

 

[fieldmarshall]

On the tragic Sala situation if he was a Cardiff player then the insurance that every Club takes out on players would pay out in these dreadful circumstances surely. ?

 

[Oldsparkey]

On the tragic Sala situation if he was a Cardiff player then the insurance that every Club takes out on players would pay out in these dreadful circumstances surely. ?

This is correct and entirely the point. CCFC has a rolling policy on all its' "registered players" indemnifying it against accident, injury, loss of earnings and ultimately death to the tune of a maximium £16M per occurance.

If he was proven to be a CCFC player then the club's insurers would (and should) be obliged to pay out even if there was a dispute as to the circumstances surrounding his death. It is entirely probable that in those circumstances, the insurers of whichever club held his registration at the time of his death would then pursue actions against 3rd parties who were involved in the flight and transport arrangments.

There is no way the insurers of either club would entertain parting with any money until the Sala's registration at the precise time of his death was fully established - that is exactly where we are.

 

[fieldmarshall]

So what we are saying oldsparkey is that its just a question of which insurers pay out to which Club ?

 

[Oldsparkey]

So what we are saying oldsparkey is that its just a question of which insurers pay out to which Club ?

Basically yes.

What happens after that with the flight legalities, the involvment of the agents and the people they commissioned to undertake the transportation is anybody's guess.

I suspect this will run for a long time through the courts. The point is, someone has to pay out for Emeliano's tragic death - the implcations thereafter are wide open.

 

[Roystonblue]

Hey Royston - set your personal dislike of Warnock to one side for a moment mate and consider the implications of the matter. Players making mistakes are all part of the game and I agree, match officials are also only human. The thing is player's can only affect their own club - it's the huge impact that a poor official's decision (in our Chelsea game several) or even biased decisions in favour of so called "elite clubs" has on the future for others.

As far as the personal stuff with Warnock is concerned, no matter what anyone's personal opinions are, we wouldn't have got to the Premier League without him and you wouldn't be in League One next season if you'd had him.

I've got nothing against ITFC at all - in fact I enjoyed many an European night watching you guys on the box under Robson as a lad back in the day. Also the league fixtures between us in the Championship since have always been competitive. Good luck to you next year - looks like we're both dropping a division and wont be meeting for at least a season.

I would have a lot more respect for warnock if after Cardiff’s home win against Brighton, he would have come out and said the linesman had a shocker, our winner never should have stood because Bamba was offside. Might be wrong but don’t remember him criticising officials on that day (when it went in his favour). I agree that the top sides get more decisions than the rest of the league but although wrong, it has always been that way. VAR will help but not if they go over the top & check every throw in / corner etc. I am a big fan of the NFL but I wouldn’t want our matches lasting 3 1/2 hours

 

[fieldmarshall]

It's an unseemly, innapropriate, end to such a tragic waste of a young life.

 

[YorkieLancsHampyLondoner]

It's an unseemly, innapropriate, end to such a tragic waste of a young life.

Couldn’t agree more fieldmarshall. The powers that be need to make sure this can’t happen again.

 

[johnnywarksmoustache]

I have to say that Warnock had every right to be seething with rage after the shocking incompetence shown by the officials for the Chelsea game! The linesman making lame excuses for not spotting Azpilecueta 2 yards offside when he put the ball into the net claiming that Willen was impeding his view! The fact is officials are costing teams points due to the sheer incompetent decisions as we only know too well! Keith Stroud of example has cost us point this season and others besides.

 

[Roystonblue]

Keith Stroud is as good as Collina ... if you compare him to Andy D’urso. Worst referee I ever saw

 

[Nuggets]

I have to say that Warnock had every right to be seething with rage after the shocking incompetence shown by the officials for the Chelsea game! The linesman making lame excuses for not spotting Azpilecueta 2 yards offside when he put the ball into the net claiming that Willen was impeding his view! The fact is officials are costing teams points due to the sheer incompetent decisions as we only know too well! Keith Stroud of example has cost us point this season and others besides.

Alternatively, the manager could focus their ire and frustration on what their own team did wrong for the other 89/90 minutes in a match that cost them the result. Blaming and scapegoating the referee over the odd decision not going your way is a convenient excuse. Cardiff City and Ipswich Town are in the relegation zone because of a lack of quality, poor tactical decisions, and because of the poor performances of their players. They are not in the relegation zone because referees are conspiring to rob them of points or are biased against them.

 

[YorkieLancsHampyLondoner]

Alternatively, the manager could focus their ire and frustration on what their own team did wrong for the other 89/90 minutes in a match that cost them the result. Blaming and scapegoating the referee over the odd decision not going your way is a convenient excuse. Cardiff City and Ipswich Town are in the relegation zone because of a lack of quality, poor tactical decisions, and because of the poor performances of their players. They are not in the relegation zone because referees are conspiring to rob them of points or are biased against them.

You’re wrong Jonny just be told.

 

[Oldsparkey]

You’re wrong Jonny just be told.

He's not wrong - he's perfectly correct in what he's saying. The other point of view posted by another of your members is also correct.

Warnock did have a perfect right to be very upset over some atrocious decisions by the officials in that Chelsea game of ours - they were diabolical and Warnock just can't help himself in the way he shows his anger, others may be a little more controlled but then that's human nature.

The other point of view in that teams are where they stand in the tables because of their quality is also valid. We (Cardiff) have been poor this season playing what is effectively a Championship quality squad in the wrong division and we are where we are as a result.

Having said all that, the decisions in that one game against Chelsea could easily cost my club the opportunity to earn another £100M from the Premier League next season - that's what's so frustrating.

And no, the bad decisions do not level themselves out through the season at all - the elite clubs get a very marked advantage when if it comes to decisions over marginal decisions let alone hugely obvious ones like the Chelsea offside and Morrison being hauled down twice in their penalty area.

Hey ho, on to the next game.

 

[YorkieLancsHampyLondoner]

He's not wrong - he's perfectly correct in what he's saying. The other point of view posted by another of your members is also correct.

Warnock did have a perfect right to be very upset over some atrocious decisions by the officials in that Chelsea game of ours - they were diabolical and Warnock just can't help himself in the way he shows his anger, others may be a little more controlled but then that's human nature.

The other point of view in that teams are where they stand in the tables because of their quality is also valid. We (Cardiff) have been poor this season playing what is effectively a Championship quality squad in the wrong division and we are where we are as a result.

Having said all that, the decisions in that one game against Chelsea could easily cost my club the opportunity to earn another £100M from the Premier League next season - that's what's so frustrating.

And no, the bad decisions do not level themselves out through the season at all - the elite clubs get a very marked advantage when if it comes to decisions over marginal decisions let alone hugely obvious ones like the Chelsea offside and Morrison being hauled down twice in their penalty area.

Hey ho, on to the next game.

I agree with him, this is an ITFC board 'in joke' referring to fieldmarshall's favourite phrase. If you can call it a joke.

What's important here is not the decision, that's football. It's the psychology and this reaction that shows why Warnock has never been a top manager. He's not helping his club's cause at all with this reaction because it gives the players an 'out'.

 

[Oldsparkey]

I agree with him, this is an ITFC board 'in joke' referring to fieldmarshall's favourite phrase. If you can call it a joke.

What's important here is not the decision, that's football. It's the psychology and this reaction that shows why Warnock has never been a top manager. He's not helping his club's cause at all with this reaction because it gives the players an 'out'.

Apologies for not recognising an internal matter.

The positive effect that Warnock has on his players far outwieghs the negative effect he has on the officials and future decisions.