Is it going to take another tragedy for the sick chants to finally end?

And that's what pisses me off with both clubs...enough fans to fill the arseholes seats..just ban the feckers...there's no economic or moral reason to be reluctant to do so...

 

I live and work in Yorkshire, mate, and not one person I've spoken to over here, including several Man U fans - one who was there on Thursday- are not astonished that on the chant issue it is Liverpool fans andn not United fans being cited by UEFA. And without any prompting from me, the majority of them mentioned David Gill before I got there.

It's not my imagination feller. people are disgusted with both sets of fans (ironic, as the Munich song started at Leeds, as I remember) but every neutral watching TV, even non-neutrals like Tobes, knows that they heard 180 minutes worth of incessant chanting about Hillsborough by something a lot, lot more than the 'minority' that the United-controlled media is trying to pass it off as.

But as I say, I pray we will hammer our (true) handful of miscreants, whilst the overwhelming number of your perpetrators will mean that United are left just issuing their normal, hollow blandishments.

 

Bollox. You haven't even read what Page has written and are trying to defend it. If the fact Fergie and Gill are associated with Man Utd is irrelevant, then why should Fergie and Gill have to prove their "non-bias". That's the only motivation for Page's post, fck all else. That puts paid to everything you've just posted and only confirms my point. The only reason they're being singled out in their position is bcos they're United.

Anyway I can see there's little genuine interest from some to actually have some consensus on here, it really is a waste of my time so I'll leave the few on here to your "woe is me" rhetoric as per usual and hope the others on here that genuinely want both clubs to do something about the actual problem without pointing fingers, or getting involved in pissing contests or cheap shots, to actually manage to talk some sense into the rest of you.

 

I want to do something about it - everyone of our fans identified chanting about Munich or fighting to be banned for life. I realise it'll be tens of thousands in the case of United, but are you prepared to say the same?

 

Tbf he said he did..as did you, very clearly...

Which is why I was confused that he included you in his post.

Look...the fergie thing..on one hand he enjoys the UEFA priveldge but like the rest of UEFA is silent on real issues...

He's also a united board member and has remained silent but then so has the rest of the united board and entire LFC board....that's the point...both clubs are a disgrace on this issue...

 

You're obviously focusing on the highlighted part off Page's post. I ignored that bit and focused on the fact they are UEFA representatives that could have spoken up.

I wasn't defending Page, you choose to read it that way! I actually think it's wrong to suggest they're showing club loyalty.

Not sure how many times I need to say club alliance does not matter at all. Selective reading on your part and as far as I'm concerned, your responses to me brought club alliance into it but having read back (the highlighted bit) I can see what you've done.

 

My three comments regarding this issue. None of them point a finger at either club. They all point out that Fergie and Gill are part of UEFA. That is it. Is that not factual? Could they not speak up as UEFA reps?

I couldn't give a **** which club they are aligned to. I'm not even that bothered they haven't said anything since UEFA have no bollocks anyway.

Feel free to keep reading them as point scoring though. That's definitely something you can direct at me

 

Here G...stick a poll at the top.

Have the options...

Do you think both clubs and UEFA have bottled it

LFC have bottled it

United have bottled it

UEFA have bottled it.

It's all the other clubs fault....


The fact thing is every single one of us has already picked A

 

1,000% "both clubs and UEFA have bottled it" but I'd add the FA too

Edit; and fans!

 

Yep....it's bizarre that so much effort is put into other abuse but mocking the dead is still seen as unimportant to the "brand"

Seriously...even thinking cynically... Did both our teams sponsors not cringe at hearing that ****e broadcast to the world?

 

@Trebs, myself and all other reds on this thread and others have slated the morons associated with our club for their crass and disgusting chants/songs, I was there on Thursday and along with many others NEVER chanted the ****e some did, before, during and after the chanting from our section and the punch-up above I was dodging coins, food and **** knows what else that was thrown at me along with many others and being accused of murder along with many others in our section very loudly by Utd followers in many sections surrounding us and by the Stretford End(or at least that end of the ground), it's my opinion that if I and many others in the ground and including on Radio and TV could hear it then so could those sitting in seats close to the halfway line.
The only reason I can come up with why two figures associated jointly with Utd and Uefa haven't/didn't speak up about it is down to club loyalty, if you can suggest another reason then sound I'll take it into account, it's also just my opinion that if either one of them had spoken up it would have prompted a fairer response from Uefa and prompted somebody from LFC(probably Ayre)to back Gill or Fergie up whilst also making a stance that our club ban any **** doing it for life.

The tribalism runs deep between our clubs and always will do but there has to be a line drawn in the sand when it comes to terrible chants revelling in the deaths associated to/with both clubs I'm sure we'll both agree on.

 

I don't agree on the club loyalty point. I don't think either would turn a blind eye for that reason.

As i suggested earlier; Court ruling on discussing Hillsborough?

Maybe one or both have said something and we don't know?

 

I'm not convinced of this court ruling excuse.

It didn't stop the police taking down the murderers banner. Why would it stop the clubs applying their own rules about crowd behaviour?

 

Why the **** would they leave the banner up ffs

 

Why is what Man Utd fans chant at OT so special concerning the law?

The court case hasn't stopped papers reporting the chanting both legs, and it didn't stop Man Utd admitting and condemning it the first leg.

 

You seriously think police leaving a banner up is comparable to authorities not charging thousands of people for chanting?

The court ruling prevents people talking about Hillsborough. The banger was about Hillsborough. They be breaking the court ruling by leaving it up

 

Which banner was about Hillsborough?

 

Fair point

 

The one with the date of the Hillsborough tragedy on it.

 

Yeah the motorway one had date on it.