Improved bid for Morrison

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intersting to see that he's played on the wing before. if we signed him i would seriously just drop obertan and play the kid there straight away. it can't be any worse than at present.
 
Pipe4Life said:
intersting to see that he's played on the wing before. if we signed him i would seriously just drop obertan and play the kid there straight away. it can't be any worse than at present.
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Ben Arfa RW for me, Shola and McLoven up front. Lovenkrands in particular reckons he can do job, give him a chance I say. He'll be good against the more 'stationary' defences, like Stoke, QPR etc.
 
Speedo said:
Ben Arfa RW for me, Shola and McLoven up front. Lovenkrands in particular reckons he can do job, give him a chance I say. He'll be good against the more 'stationary' defences, like Stoke, QPR etc.
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Totally forgot about Lover. I'd give him ago like. Not been on bench recently like so I doubt it.
 
I thought he was back in training now? that said tomorrow wouldbe too early to throw him in. i would play ben arfa on the right and vuckic playing off best against qpr. guthrie in the middle.
 
Sewelly said:
Demba Ba - injury problems, cheap contract situation
Ben Arfa - history of being a problem player, went on strike to push through deal, cheap because of this
Marveaux - injury problems, exploitable contract situation
Gosling - exploitable contract situation, injured at the time
Santon - supposed degenerative knee situation, cheap price
Abeid - exploitable contract situation
Maiga - went on strike to force through move, hence cheaper price

Even Cabaye and Tioté were signed because they had fixed price release clauses. Neil Taylor too.


Pretty much every single signing we've recently made has either been through an exploitable contractual situation, a player with a history of injury problems, a player with a problem personality or a player with a fixed release clause. Often a number of them.

Not once have we properly bidded for a 'normal' player in the 'normal' way. There's not much wrong with this, especially when you're short of funds (ha) but most are calculated risks. Some of them come off spectacularly (Ba), whereas others fall flat on your face (Marveaux, although I like him and am not writing him off). This just seems another one of this mould, he's not even really in a position where we have weaknesses both in first teamers and with our promising youngsters. We're stacked in midfield, however the club clearly see this as an opportunity that is too good to let up. Ashley is a gambler and he's clearly seeing the pound signs with this lad.
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A very extensive reply. Ta.

When you say "exploitable contractual situation", i'm assuming you think it's a 'dodgy' thing to do in picking up players contracts for no fee?

There is of course an element of risk in signing injury prone players but if we do get lucky ala Ba, then it's happy days all 'round.
Of course, if Ashley cashes in on Demba Ba this month, we'll all have a much firmer idea of where this club's heading.

Ashley simply isn't going to outlay the kind of money that the current top 6 clubs are doing. I would suggest that we're top of 'our' division, at least in a financial sense.
 
People talking about his "excessive wage demands", there is a difference. If he was to demand say 25k p/w, at Man U they would say that's silly for someone who's only a reserve player right now, but considering that here he would almost certainly be guaranteed a place in the 18 man squad, it's not unreasonable at all.
 
Lovenkrands is treated quite harshly IMO. He's weak as a pint of piss and as useful as a sack of **** when played as a out and out striker, but played in a role like an attacking mid or the wins, he's a good player.

Great pace, good pair of feet, passes the ball well and crosses well.

I'd not start him now, but he maybe deserves some game time.
 
Megadeth NUFC said:
Lovenkrands is treated quite harshly IMO. He's weak as a pint of piss and as useful as a sack of **** when played as a out and out striker, but played in a role like an attacking mid or the wins, he's a good player.

Great pace, good pair of feet, passes the ball well and crosses well.

I'd not start him now, but he maybe deserves some game time.
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I can't see Lovenkrands here next summer so I'd prefer to start playing a younger player like Vukic in that AM role so they start to gain experience with the team.

Benefits for the longer term and Lovenkrands not playing much this season is no real loss.
 
overseasTOON said:
I can't see Lovenkrands here next summer so I'd prefer to start playing a younger player like Vukic in that AM role so they start to gain experience with the team.

Benefits for the longer term and Lovenkrands not playing much this season is no real loss.
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Megadeth NUFC said:
Lovenkrands is treated quite harshly IMO. He's weak as a pint of piss and as useful as a sack of **** when played as a out and out striker, but played in a role like an attacking mid or the wins, he's a good player.

Great pace, good pair of feet, passes the ball well and crosses well.

I'd not start him now, but he maybe deserves some game time.
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Ahead of Ben Arfa though? That's who's place he'd most probably be taking...

Our priority lies with the club, not any one player, and as OT said, I'd prefer to give youngster's experience that will serve us well, rather than keep McLoven, a player who is rumoured to be leaving in the summer, happy!
 
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Lovenkrands has done nothing wrong this season - scored two in the Carling Cup and passed to Ba, which David Luiz should have got sent off for. And that pass was exquisite aswell
 
Lover's done nothing wrong but I wouldnt want him played ahead of young players in midfield, only up front. Especially as he will leave this summer or maybe even this month.
 
Ah dear, I'm aware that this comment will put me in the firing line for the Lover-lovers but are we really talking about Lovenkrands starting?!

I love the guy but wouldn't want him near the matchday squad.
 
jOkEr said:
A very extensive reply. Ta.

When you say "exploitable contractual situation", i'm assuming you think it's a 'dodgy' thing to do in picking up players contracts for no fee?

There is of course an element of risk in signing injury prone players but if we do get lucky ala Ba, then it's happy days all 'round.
Of course, if Ashley cashes in on Demba Ba this month, we'll all have a much firmer idea of where this club's heading.

Ashley simply isn't going to outlay the kind of money that the current top 6 clubs are doing. I would suggest that we're top of 'our' division, at least in a financial sense.
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I don't necessarily mean it's dodgy, I just mean it avoids negotiating a fee with somebody. Something we seem to hate doing. We like to get players who have 6 months left on their deals, are free agents or have a minimum fee release clause. That way with the exception of agents fees and the likes the ball is pretty much in our park.

Problem with it is that it limits the spectrum players you can sign, and sometimes you've simply got to pay top dollar to get the quality of player required. Look at our captain (and best player) for example, you'd be going some to find a CB as good as him without putting your hand in your pockets and paying a similar fee... ie upwards of £10 million.

I can't ever see this regime paying £10 million for a player again.
 
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