Head Coach Performance

[Coastal Dolphins]

Peter Reid was sacked by City because his team were losing every week and the football was awful.

I totally agree. I still think KLD will get us back to the Premier League. It might not be immediately though. If he wants the club to be sustainable we might have to wait for him to spend money. Saying that spending money on the players we need is the way to improve the team isn't digging the owner out though as far as I can see.

Reid had had 2 5th place finishes at city in the TOP flight before he got the safc job - that is a track record. You can't dispute that.

 

[Smug in Boots]

I think itll be toxic from the start, we need to be getting behind the team on the pitch as we can impact their performance if its all toxic on Saturday

Also its not a good look this campaign to get him gone for future managerial appts. We will always be attractive to people but i think a lot of very good candidates will be put off by how weve reacted to Beale. Social media can be great at times but this just feels like we are throwing our toys out the pram.

I dont rate beale at all, i have said that from the start but not sure ive willed a manager to turn things around as much as i am at the minute with him. Digs all over social media about his appearance and how he talks is pathetic and childish

I never boo at games but i also understand why some fans would, theyve paid hard earned money to be there and if they arent happy with the 'product' that theyve seen then i get booing. I just dont get these campaigns online for a manager thats been in charge of 7 games (even if they have been poor games), in my honest opinion i think its a poor look for us as supporters

Thats just my view

I agree with your view.

Social media has become something bigger than the sum of its parts tbh.

It's often said that this place is like a pub, fair enough.

No offence to those who post about Beale, the model, Speakman, the owner, etc, that's all fine and reasonable ...

... but if this was a pub, and exactly the same thing was repeated again five minutes later then again, people would drink up and move on. RTB puts up an excellent match thread but even that becomes the same argument.

No hope or optimism is allowed and anyone showing any becomes a substitute target for the club. Eventually they can't be bothered to respond any more and those attacking the club 'win the argument'.

I've noticed that people who usually post aren't bothering, almost every thread becomes the same rant about toxic atmospheres, sackings and how the club is an embarrassing joke.

In any pub there should be a bit more than endless doom and gloom.

Thats just my view.

 

[Hudson92]

I would love us to go and win the next 18 games mate but even if we go on a little run, when the downswing happens , this will come back again. That's why it was such a poor appointment in the first place.

But aye if Stoke take the lead or go a couple up, will be really toxic.

100% he’s a dead man walking already, hindsight is great but should have just left it with Dodds when we couldn’t get our top target atleast he had the players buy in

 

[Chunksafc]

100% he’s a dead man walking already, hindsight is great but should have just left it with Dodds when we couldn’t get our top target atleast he had the players buy in

I don't think Dodds wanted it or didn't feel he was ready for it?

 

[Monkey69]

You make it sound like they have just turned on him it took them 60mins into his first game and they were booing off kids which is fantastic support.

He's been missing Roberts for the last 4 games (including Rotherham since he came off early), had to rush Alese back as it wasn't working with a RB at LB. We've missed a CDM since Evans, and we are desperate one at present.

The style chang is because we kept getting caught out at the back. How many times were people twisting at the standard of defending on the transition. We were always going to be the bridesmaid and never the bride under TM and is track records shows it.

Tactically we could be better. For me it should be Ba or Bennette on the RW until Roberts is back. Bellingham needs a rest and you know my thoughts on Pritchard.

The BCB scenario is driving all the hatred and creating all the negativity. It's a shame as I think KS has revolutionised the club on a small budget. I think we are at the crossroads waiting for the first 2 or 3 big sales to allows them to go again with a bigger budget.

Unfortunately our fans are going to drive KS, SH and possibly KLD out and we'll end up with a far east consortium as rumoured who'll probably really **** up all the goods work that's been done on the football side.

IMO I think some of the problems run a little deeper than just Beale as this style of play was as apparent under Mowbray at the end of his tenure as it is with Beale now. the problems we have were there before Beale's appointment but his problem is that he has changed nothing in our approach to the games and if anything we are actually looking worse.
I don't want him to fail as I want my club to be successful and I have mentioned a few times that I am waiting patiently to see his fantastic coaching and how that will affect out team and tactics but at the minute I have seen nothing that makes me think that anything is changing. The players look devoid of enthusiasm and seem to have no drive or energy, the fans are turning very quickly towards anger and apathy, and nobody seems to question the internal changes made when TM left (TBF I was not against TM leaving as at the time everything had gone a bit off with tactics and the team) Dodds was promoted and we even had people wanting him as a head coach after only a couple of games but to me even though he overseen a couple of decent results tactically we were still playing this more defensive style (Is this really the right direction for our club???) My overall problem is that something needs to change as our tactic at the moment is give the ball to Jack Clark and hope something happens and for our club this is not good enough.
If Beale cant, wont or has been instructed to follow this tactic I don't know but I think he is already on unstable ground and the club is balanced on the edge yet again.
I can forgive a mistake and the club admitting it but are we truly ready to double down on the Michael Beale appointment and hope he can start to string together some victories and hand in hand with that some performances to get the crowd singing and proud of their club again I am really not sure, at the moment I can not see a lot of light at the end of that tunnel.

Rant OWA for today

 

[Thefoox]

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It’s this kind of crap as well that gets me. F&ck wanting Sunderland to lose

This what happens when people are watching a slow motion car crash

 

[The Exile II]

Peter Reid was sacked by City because his team were losing every week and the football was awful.

I totally agree. I still think KLD will get us back to the Premier League. It might not be immediately though. If he wants the club to be sustainable we might have to wait for him to spend money. Saying that spending money on the players we need is the way to improve the team isn't digging the owner out though as far as I can see.

I think we're at a real risk of tailspinning here. All the good work done in jeopardy if we end up 18/19/20th with a toxic crowd due to sheer pig-headedness.

 

[Hudson92]

I don't think Dodds wanted it or didn't feel he was ready for it?

Ah, wasn’t aware of that, fair enough I’m at a loss with what’s the solution to this haha

 

[Chunksafc]

Ah, wasn’t aware of that, fair enough I’m at a loss with what’s the solution to this haha

I may be wrong mate, but I'm sure he said at the time he didn't feel ready to do the main man job

 

[Chunksafc]

I have seen you call posters clueless earlier. I dont go in for aggressive posting too much. But in my opinion this is as clueless as it gets. I value everyones opinion, including yours, but it seems to me you are on a mission. I find you a bit OTT.

We are already an unattractive option mate. Im my opinion anyway. I still do bits and pieces of coaching in pro clubs and the general consensus on the Mowbray sacking is we were very hasty. All these polls or votes on the internet make us look desperate in my opinion. I can see no good reason an highly regarded head coach would come here anymore. We have blown that chance for the moment. They can sack Beale if they want, but it will have to be an out of work bloke like Nathan Jones or Heckingbottom, and they will need to pay.

Just picking up on the bit about TM. I thought it was harsh him going, but he was starting to have a go about the recruitment which was only going to end one way.

I assume the people you have heard say it was harsh have the same opinion that we / TM needed reinforcements?

 

[Mackem74]

Peter Reid had finished 5th or 6th in the top flight with man city.
Keane was his first job but had huge standing in the game as a leader of one if the best teams in Europe.

You are waffling away but know little it seems.

My point was it's impossible to tell.Neither Reid or Keane were successful after us. I just find it perplexing that people can completely dismiss the credentials of a guy in less than 6 weeks. He's worked at big clubs across the world so he must have something. I'm not saying he's right for us or Will be successful, it looks unlikely and not helped by the toxicity of our 'fans', but too early to.write him off. The behaviour online and at games towards him has been nothing short of disgraceful and certainly isn't helping anyone

 

[flandersmackem]

As uncomfortable as I am about the way the barrage of abuse towards Beale is going, I feel there is no turning back on it now. The vast majority of fans seem to have already made their minds up about him, and in over 60 years supporting SAFC I have never seen fans do an about turn on their collective opinion and then get behind the manager/coach. This is going to messy until the board do something...that even might be a statement offering their full and unwavering support for Beale and making sure he has the players he needs. I doubt even that will make a difference other than buy some time.

 

[John Wick]

Stay tuned...

 

[TonyG]

Stay tuned...

For the next episode ?

 

[cumbrianmackem]

I agree with your view.

Social media has become something bigger than the sum of its parts tbh.

It's often said that this place is like a pub, fair enough.

No offence to those who post about Beale, the model, Speakman, the owner, etc, that's all fine and reasonable ...

... but if this was a pub, and exactly the same thing was repeated again five minutes later then again, people would drink up and move on. RTB puts up an excellent match thread but even that becomes the same argument.

No hope or optimism is allowed and anyone showing any becomes a substitute target for the club. Eventually they can't be bothered to respond any more and those attacking the club 'win the argument'.

I've noticed that people who usually post aren't bothering, almost every thread becomes the same rant about toxic atmospheres, sackings and how the club is an embarrassing joke.

In any pub there should be a bit more than endless doom and gloom.

Thats just my view.

Smug that's exactly why I've steered away from RTBs thread post match after our last two results.
It's boring adinfinitum, and it's the same old faces

I agree with your view.

Social media has become something bigger than the sum of its parts tbh.

It's often said that this place is like a pub, fair enough.

No offence to those who post about Beale, the model, Speakman, the owner, etc, that's all fine and reasonable ...

... but if this was a pub, and exactly the same thing was repeated again five minutes later then again, people would drink up and move on. RTB puts up an excellent match thread but even that becomes the same argument.

No hope or optimism is allowed and anyone showing any becomes a substitute target for the club. Eventually they can't be bothered to respond any more and those attacking the club 'win the argument'.

I've noticed that people who usually post aren't bothering, almost every thread becomes the same rant about toxic atmospheres, sackings and how the club is an embarrassing joke.

In any pub there should be a bit more than endless doom and gloom.

Thats just my view.

Smug...this is why I've avoided RTBs match day thread post match after the last two results.
The patter is boring infinitum and it's the same few posters who seem to enjoy repeating themselves.
It's not for me so currently in giving it a miss.

 

[Brainy Dose]

It is absolutely ridiculous because prior to the derby, the results were better than the last few results of the Mowbray era. Following the derby, which we weren't going to win anyway, we have had two narrow losses. In one of which we dominated possession and had more shots on target. We are not a top of the table side so those results shouldn't be unexpected. Us and Hull are always going be capable of beating each other with our current squads. So criticism of him on the basis of results is a huge overreaction.

The performances haven't been great and the football hasn't been pretty but Beale has been hamstrung by the players that he's had available. That would have been the same no matter who the coach was. Those screaming that Beale is useless refuse to consider those factors.

The sound voice of reason.
I'm struggling to remember a time when Sunderland fans,amongst whom I've always been proud to be counted over 60 years, were so vitriolic and personally abusive towards a newly appointed manager so quickly, and also to include our ownership, which has clearly injected renewed hope for a more prosperous future,since the dark days of the recent past.
There are a number of our solid fans,.....passionate,committed fans,...who seem to have an intense agenda against Speakman above all.....for reasons I'm not clear on.....and are clearly trying to use the Beale appointment,given the generally unsatisfactory results since he came in, as a stick to wield against him,and,by inference, the KLD regime in general.
This latter point is the most dangerous imo. I've seen threads elsewhere welcoming a possible change in ownership, but we have to be very careful in what we wish for.
For our part,as fans,we are not to blame for anything that befalls us. We turn up week in,week out,in our numbers to support our club. How could we do anything else,it's ingrained in us,it's our DNA,which we can never lose.
I remember the Roker Roar,and the atmosphere it generated at Roker Park,which,in my view, will never be surpassed. I do think that it was regenerated at the SOL at times during the Reidy days....and including Mag matches...many individual times since.....but I don't see it on a regular basis. I'm not sure if it's the general lack of success over the years,which has bred the continual expectation of failure,but I'm often deflated by the constant grumbling at our home matches.I'm sure visiting teams can sense it and play accordingly. I know people who primarily go to our away matches...letting their season card to a family member/friend....they prefer the away day experience. I've lost count of the number of times over recent years I've taken someone to a home match and to be told afterwards that the atmosphere wasn't what they expected. We hype ourselves up,but we're not that great.
My opinion is that we need to accept that we are a mid-table Championship team, with our sights set on improvement to a higher position, rather than a Premiership team who is not doing very well.

 

[John Wick]

For the next episode ?

That's right mate.

 

[Ronsafc]

Peter Reid was sacked by City because his team were losing every week and the football was awful.

I totally agree. I still think KLD will get us back to the Premier League. It might not be immediately though. If he wants the club to be sustainable we might have to wait for him to spend money. Saying that spending money on the players we need is the way to improve the team isn't digging the owner out though as far as I can see.

I am not anti KLD or the model but what makes you think he will get us to the prem. they bought good players that got us out of div 1, so the last two windows should of seen the next level type player come in to the club but not one of the new signing would be regular starter in promotion aiming teams, only 2 or 3 out of about 15 have looked anywhere near squad level

 

[Smug in Boots]

Smug that's exactly why I've steered away from RTBs thread post match after our last two results.
It's boring adinfinitum, and it's the same old faces

Smug...this is why I've avoided RTBs match day thread post match after the last two results.
The patter is boring infinitum and it's the same few posters who seem to enjoy repeating themselves.
It's not for me so currently in giving it a miss.

It's not like you can move from the bar to the lounge and pick up a different conversation ...

... youre not even safe in the netty

 

[DH4]

People are not dismissing his "credentials", it is more the fact that he doesn't have any.

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Stolen from RTG. But you get the drift. He is a bluffer.