Reid had had 2 5th place finishes at city in the TOP flight before he got the safc job - that is a track record. You can't dispute that.
I agree with your view. Social media has become something bigger than the sum of its parts tbh. It's often said that this place is like a pub, fair enough. No offence to those who post about Beale, the model, Speakman, the owner, etc, that's all fine and reasonable ... ... but if this was a pub, and exactly the same thing was repeated again five minutes later then again, people would drink up and move on. RTB puts up an excellent match thread but even that becomes the same argument. No hope or optimism is allowed and anyone showing any becomes a substitute target for the club. Eventually they can't be bothered to respond any more and those attacking the club 'win the argument'. I've noticed that people who usually post aren't bothering, almost every thread becomes the same rant about toxic atmospheres, sackings and how the club is an embarrassing joke. In any pub there should be a bit more than endless doom and gloom. Thats just my view.
100% he’s a dead man walking already, hindsight is great but should have just left it with Dodds when we couldn’t get our top target atleast he had the players buy in
IMO I think some of the problems run a little deeper than just Beale as this style of play was as apparent under Mowbray at the end of his tenure as it is with Beale now. the problems we have were there before Beale's appointment but his problem is that he has changed nothing in our approach to the games and if anything we are actually looking worse. I don't want him to fail as I want my club to be successful and I have mentioned a few times that I am waiting patiently to see his fantastic coaching and how that will affect out team and tactics but at the minute I have seen nothing that makes me think that anything is changing. The players look devoid of enthusiasm and seem to have no drive or energy, the fans are turning very quickly towards anger and apathy, and nobody seems to question the internal changes made when TM left (TBF I was not against TM leaving as at the time everything had gone a bit off with tactics and the team) Dodds was promoted and we even had people wanting him as a head coach after only a couple of games but to me even though he overseen a couple of decent results tactically we were still playing this more defensive style (Is this really the right direction for our club???) My overall problem is that something needs to change as our tactic at the moment is give the ball to Jack Clark and hope something happens and for our club this is not good enough. If Beale cant, wont or has been instructed to follow this tactic I don't know but I think he is already on unstable ground and the club is balanced on the edge yet again. I can forgive a mistake and the club admitting it but are we truly ready to double down on the Michael Beale appointment and hope he can start to string together some victories and hand in hand with that some performances to get the crowd singing and proud of their club again I am really not sure, at the moment I can not see a lot of light at the end of that tunnel. Rant OWA for today
I think we're at a real risk of tailspinning here. All the good work done in jeopardy if we end up 18/19/20th with a toxic crowd due to sheer pig-headedness.
Just picking up on the bit about TM. I thought it was harsh him going, but he was starting to have a go about the recruitment which was only going to end one way. I assume the people you have heard say it was harsh have the same opinion that we / TM needed reinforcements?
My point was it's impossible to tell.Neither Reid or Keane were successful after us. I just find it perplexing that people can completely dismiss the credentials of a guy in less than 6 weeks. He's worked at big clubs across the world so he must have something. I'm not saying he's right for us or Will be successful, it looks unlikely and not helped by the toxicity of our 'fans', but too early to.write him off. The behaviour online and at games towards him has been nothing short of disgraceful and certainly isn't helping anyone
As uncomfortable as I am about the way the barrage of abuse towards Beale is going, I feel there is no turning back on it now. The vast majority of fans seem to have already made their minds up about him, and in over 60 years supporting SAFC I have never seen fans do an about turn on their collective opinion and then get behind the manager/coach. This is going to messy until the board do something...that even might be a statement offering their full and unwavering support for Beale and making sure he has the players he needs. I doubt even that will make a difference other than buy some time.
Smug that's exactly why I've steered away from RTBs thread post match after our last two results. It's boring adinfinitum, and it's the same old faces Smug...this is why I've avoided RTBs match day thread post match after the last two results. The patter is boring infinitum and it's the same few posters who seem to enjoy repeating themselves. It's not for me so currently in giving it a miss.
The sound voice of reason. I'm struggling to remember a time when Sunderland fans,amongst whom I've always been proud to be counted over 60 years, were so vitriolic and personally abusive towards a newly appointed manager so quickly, and also to include our ownership, which has clearly injected renewed hope for a more prosperous future,since the dark days of the recent past. There are a number of our solid fans,.....passionate,committed fans,...who seem to have an intense agenda against Speakman above all.....for reasons I'm not clear on.....and are clearly trying to use the Beale appointment,given the generally unsatisfactory results since he came in, as a stick to wield against him,and,by inference, the KLD regime in general. This latter point is the most dangerous imo. I've seen threads elsewhere welcoming a possible change in ownership, but we have to be very careful in what we wish for. For our part,as fans,we are not to blame for anything that befalls us. We turn up week in,week out,in our numbers to support our club. How could we do anything else,it's ingrained in us,it's our DNA,which we can never lose. I remember the Roker Roar,and the atmosphere it generated at Roker Park,which,in my view, will never be surpassed. I do think that it was regenerated at the SOL at times during the Reidy days....and including Mag matches...many individual times since.....but I don't see it on a regular basis. I'm not sure if it's the general lack of success over the years,which has bred the continual expectation of failure,but I'm often deflated by the constant grumbling at our home matches.I'm sure visiting teams can sense it and play accordingly. I know people who primarily go to our away matches...letting their season card to a family member/friend....they prefer the away day experience. I've lost count of the number of times over recent years I've taken someone to a home match and to be told afterwards that the atmosphere wasn't what they expected. We hype ourselves up,but we're not that great. My opinion is that we need to accept that we are a mid-table Championship team, with our sights set on improvement to a higher position, rather than a Premiership team who is not doing very well.
I am not anti KLD or the model but what makes you think he will get us to the prem. they bought good players that got us out of div 1, so the last two windows should of seen the next level type player come in to the club but not one of the new signing would be regular starter in promotion aiming teams, only 2 or 3 out of about 15 have looked anywhere near squad level
It's not like you can move from the bar to the lounge and pick up a different conversation ... ... youre not even safe in the netty
People are not dismissing his "credentials", it is more the fact that he doesn't have any. Stolen from RTG. But you get the drift. He is a bluffer.
