HDM exclusive today interview with the Allams?

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id like to think this is whats happened.. only problem is, as others have said.. why handle it in this way ? why not just terminate barmbys contract because he's failed to deliver what was agreed as many chairmen do around the world. also why would pearson be fired without compensation... they must have a good reason for that..

Pearson wasn't an employee of Hull City Football Club nor did he have a Hull City contract. He is a self emplyed advisor to the club and as such if the Allam's dont want to work with him anymore they are well within their right to do so!
 
Soemthing's just not right, i'm only reading from the internet & it says that the whole interview is in the papaer, but they have handled it all badly & until everything comes out in the open then i'm not going to make any decisions regarding any of the people involved. I would love to be able to trust the Allams but as I said my views on them are none at thia point.
On the note of the 50 million, does anyone know if it's actually been put in & all debts have been paid in full or they have just guarenteed it & it's getting paid off in chunks, for example so far they have paid off a chunk of 10 million over 2 years & the rest over say another 8 years?
 
Oh and we could afford 40k a WEEK in wages for a striker, yet they are having to lay off some staff at the club due to the financial situation, hmmmmmmm doesn't quite stack up that.

if the 'staff' they are laying off includes the heavy costs of any number of Adam Pearson, Ghilas, Olifinjana and McShane then fine. Unfortunately thanks to the PFA, some 'staff' are easier to get rid off than others. I reiterate, although Adam Pearson has done loads for Hull City it appears, Adam Pearson has done more for Adam Pearson than anyone. I wonder what his deal actually was? We seem to know all about the three players, but why can't Adam's consultancy income be published
 
As they own the club and none of you have the funds to buy the club, I believe you won't fare too well

I'm happy with them as owners, I do though believe they could have handled this better.

As I said yesterday it's not inconceivable that NB was asked to work with a more experienced manager and made it clear he didn't want too. He made his feelings to JB clear under the bridge so we know he's prone to exploding. We also know he's stubborn.

It's now clear it was NB & APs decision not to strengthen in January. Maybe the Allams feel that their own ambition was greater than that of NB & AP??

My position hasn't changed since yesterday, I have just read the snippets on here and can find no reason to disbelieve the Allams and find it hard to fathom sudden hatred directed towards them.

I was talking about getting rid of the overpaid crap, not the owners. You said they may have sacked AP for a failure in offloading the overpaid crap and I'm saying we'll have a much harder job doing it without him.

Barmby would have every right to object to being asked to work for an older manager. They offered him the job permanently and he is the manager. Why should he step down a level? This is academic anyway because that isn't what happened anyway.

That part about the money is complete bollocks, they've lied about it in the past and they're still lying. No manager in NB's position would turned down the opportunity to sign players if it was possible. I know of a few players we very nearly signed in January and the plug was pulled by the owners at the last minute. I daresay OLM and PT will know of several more. Their ambition is for this club to be in the PL by signing Man U youngsters and them suddenly tripling in value so we can sell them on, they think that just because Chester and Stewart have done well, everyone else will have the same success. It doesn't work like that.
 
I see people have already made their minds up that we'll be able to attract McCarthy.

Do you not think he's seen whats happened this week and noted to himself that he'd be potentially working with an overpowering chairman, who'll want everything his own way, and if he didn't get it then the manager's head would be for the chop. Same for Davies in my opinion.

Anyway, it'll come down to money and ambition and City look bereft of both at the minute. I don't buy what he says about the £40K-a-week striker. That would be suicidal for City on top of one of the highest earning sides in the divison.

As i said last night, it'll be someone like Megson who'll come in. I hope i'm wrong.

what has happened this week, as you put it, happens at every club. Although alot like to think it sometimes, we are not unique. This is football and owners make stupid decisions which sometimes fail. If this one turns out to be a winner, which it might for all kinds of reasons, then we all know that Assam Allam will once again be a self-made millionaire who commands respect. This isnt life. Its Football stupid!!
 
actions speak louder than words.

sinking 50mil into the club speaks volumes and for that reason I am more inclined to believe the Allam's over Nick.
I personally believe that Nick spoke out about a few players that he wanted and then was told that really the high earners need moving on.

I am not impressed with Nick and his one dimensional approach to management.
Personally I think it's disgusting if Nick isn't given the chance to build his team after doing a great job being thrust in at the deep end, anybody saying Nick 'wasn't up to the job' after half a season in charge and no previous managerial experience, look where we ended up after he took on a squad of somebody elses players. This isn't directed at you Patty, but others that seem to think a change of manager will make a difference to us at this time more than anything Nicky wasn't given a chance to prove.
 
I was talking about getting rid of the overpaid crap, not the owners. You said they may have sacked AP for a failure in offloading the overpaid crap and I'm saying we'll have a much harder job doing it without him.

Barmby would have every right to object to being asked to work for an older manager. They offered him the job permanently and he is the manager. Why should he step down a level? This is academic anyway because that isn't what happened anyway.

That part about the money is complete bollocks, they've lied about it in the past and they're still lying. No manager in NB's position would turned down the opportunity to sign players if it was possible. I know of a few players we very nearly signed in January and the plug was pulled by the owners at the last minute. I daresay OLM and PT will know of several more. Their ambition is for this club to be in the PL by signing Man U youngsters and them suddenly tripling in value so we can sell them on, they think that just because Chester and Stewart have done well, everyone else will have the same success. It doesn't work like that.

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SO why not sack him for being a **** manager and not achieving the goal of play off football? Why suspend him for comments made to the media?

because thanks to the ridiculous strength of the PFA and the PMA, it would have cost then dearly. they are businessmen and they will try to save what ever cash they can. I personally hope that NIck Barmby is still manager next week, but if he isnt, then that is another one for Gordon Taylor and the Managers Association equivalent to bleat about on behlaf of us fans no doubt. Was Tevez ever sacked by the way or did the PFA save him as well?
 
Agreed. Looking at the above PT comment along with what OLM has shared with us, the people in the know seem to be more annoyed about it than anyone else and the whole thing of the Allams offering to come and do this interview when Adam and Nick obviously can't respond. They think there is no one like OLM and PT who can tell us the real facts and we are all just listening to the media rumours which they can deny when they like.



I was pretty annoyed at Nick during the losing run but never thought he should be sacked and the way we finished the season and the football we've been playing, combined with the players Barmby wanted to sign and taking into account the conditions he was working under, I was pretty excited for next season. Regardless of Barmby's roots, I just thought he was doing a good job.

As for the Allams, I don't really get your point. Of course we didn't put £50m in because we don't have it, I'm sure there are people on here who would buy City if they could because we are the real fans who really do care for the club. The Allam's done care about City any more than any other sport they are interested in. You can't just suddenly become passionate in this short space of time for something they never previously cared about. I don't think the fans annoyed at the owners are overreacting, but even if we were it doesn't matter, we are just posters on a messageboard, we aren't in complete control over the football club. The Allams are in control and as such their actions have epic consequences to the future of this club.

Mick McCarthy? Why would he come? I don't think he'd see us as a big enough club to work for even if we didn't have the kind of owners no manager wants to work for who will sack you if you simply say the wrong thing in an interview so tame that no one had a problem with it at the time and in fact, we still aren't sure which interview it was that pissed them off so much! Since we do have those owners I don't think we'll get anyone particularly highly sought after.



Very, very unlikely.



Yes but as we all know, the wage bill is high due to likes of Ghilas, Oli and McShane who aren't good enough to make the team. So the size of the wage bill doesn't anything like reflect the quality of the squad. NB was expected to gain promotion with a squad that we all agreed was very thin and he failed due to an obvious lack of cover players in a hectic March. The most obvious way to avoid that is by adding players in January.

with the greatest respect to my friend OLM, who I know and pass the time of day with irregularly, and to PT, who I dont, they have been wrong before.
 
with the greatest respect to my friend OLM, who I know and pass the time of day with irregularly, and to PT, who I dont, they have been wrong before.

They've only really been wrong on things like who we might sign, and that's because things changed after they've said it. I don't really see how someone getting info from within the club could be so enormously wrong on something like this.
 
AP has been stating for the past month or so, that there no funds available for the summer and we'd only be looking at loans and free agents. Do you think that's what his boss was telling him, or do you think that Assem was planning on spending millions and just didn't bother to tell him, or do you think there's possibly a chance that Assem might be playing games here?

now that Adam has gone, maybe there are millions freed up and available now?
 
They've only really been wrong on things like who we might sign, and that's because things changed after they've said it. I don't really see how someone getting info from within the club could be so enormously wrong on something like this.

It's a matter of opinion at the minute on who you want to believe, reality is we may never know the truth behind all of this! On a personal note, I am siding with Pearson & Barmby but they are by no means perfect so i could be proved wrong?
 
Originally Posted by Boothferry_Legend
"Personally I think most peoples opinions are based primarily on what PT and OLM are saying (which is basically that the Allam's are lying through their teeth)."

PT and OLM are the first two posters that I look to on this board. Why ? Something called empirical evidence, I find them barely wrong on anything. So am I going to trust 100 % what they are posting now? You can bet I am.
 
Originally Posted by Boothferry_Legend
"Personally I think most peoples opinions are based primarily on what PT and OLM are saying (which is basically that the Allam's are lying through their teeth)."

PT and OLM are the first two posters that I look to on this board. Why ? Something called empirical evidence, I find them barely wrong on anything. So am I going to trust 100 % what they are posting now? You can bet I am.

I tend to agree they speak sense and mostly speak the truth, don't know if I want them to be proved right this time though!