HDM exclusive today interview with the Allams?

[hullborn]

They're being very disingenuous, they refused to sanction Nick's player signings in January and now they pick the name of a player who we never went in for and said they would have sanctioned that one. If they were happy to pay for Sharp, why wouldn't they pay for Hammill?

There's no disputing how much we owe them for saving the club, but this stuff leaves a bad taste, they are handling this in the media in the same way they did negotiations with the council over the stadium. It's very disappointing.

hang on.... the allams said in december money would be available, "millions" ..... barmby later came out and said he was happy with the squad and would not bring anyone else in..... nick also said this is his decision and if it turns out to be the wrong decision, on his head be it.... burnsey asked if he would take the blame, he said he would. (trying to find that interview but most should remember it)

now, this is exactly what the allams are now saying happened.... how do we know its not true ? that new naive manager barmby took a gamble not to bring anyone else in... and its blew up in his face.

 

[premiertiger]

Not really bothered whether transfers were sanctioned or not. If we already have one of the highest wage bills of the division then the team we have SHOULD be performing and delivering!

That's all well and good, but when a large % of your wage bill is for players like McShane, Ghilas, Oli, Simpson it's hardly fair to try and link a high wage bill with a quality squad.

 

[bum_chinned_crab]

hang on.... the allams said in december money would be available, "millions" ..... barmby later came out and said he was happy with the squad and would not bring anyone else in..... nick also said this is his decision and if it turns out to be the wrong decision, on his head be it.... burnsey asked if he would take the blame, he said he would. (trying to find that interview but most should remember it)

now, this is exactly what the allams are now saying happened.... how do we know its not true ? that new naive manager barmby took a gamble not to bring anyone else in... and its blew up in his face.

But if that was the case they'd have come out, said it wasnt working, it was a football decision and he was sacked. It would not be the cloak and dagger developments and talk of 'suspensions' that we have seen this week.

 

[premiertiger]

hang on.... the allams said in december money would be available, "millions" ..... barmby later came out and said he was happy with the squad and would not bring anyone else in..... nick also said this is his decision and if it turns out to be the wrong decision, on his head be it.... burnsey asked if he would take the blame, he said he would. (trying to find that interview but most should remember it)

now, this is exactly what the allams are now saying happened.... how do we know its not true ? that new naive manager barmby took a gamble not to bring anyone else in... and its blew up in his face.

SO why not sack him for being a **** manager and not achieving the goal of play off football? Why suspend him for comments made to the media?

 

[hullborn]

SO why not sack him for being a **** manager and not achieving the goal of play off football? Why suspend him for comments made to the media?

who's said it was for comments to the media? .. the media ?

 

[PLT]

I think it shows what type of people they are when they come out saying all this b*llocks about making funds to sign players in January when neither Nick or Adam are able to respond to their story. This is nothing but a PR stunt from the Allams trying to cover the quite frankly awful way they have handled this whole affair.

Fine if they want to sack Nick/Adam, but show some guts and no it for real footballing reasons (not that I personally think they would be warranted) rather than suspend them for comments made to the media and then refuse to discuss the situation, do they think we are stupid?

And as for wanting a more direct contact with the management team, are they having a laugh? They are clueless about football so what the hell are they going to bring to the table.

How can we believe a word the Allams say anymore.

I know I can't.

Agreed. Looking at the above PT comment along with what OLM has shared with us, the people in the know seem to be more annoyed about it than anyone else and the whole thing of the Allams offering to come and do this interview when Adam and Nick obviously can't respond. They think there is no one like OLM and PT who can tell us the real facts and we are all just listening to the media rumours which they can deny when they like.

Well, being pragmatic and not seeing everything through a red mist, I am actually hopeful things could turn out ok.

Adam, hard to deny what he's done for us, however, if he was on contractor rates, and employed on that basis, I understand why they've let him go. Thats the downside to being in that type of position and not a permy, but its set against being paid way over the odds for your work. Yes he's a hero to most of us, but, that doesn't mean the club, or the Allams, owe him anything. He's a business man as well, so he should realise this.

Sir Nick. Yes a legend. Yes he's "One of our own". But honestly, if he wasn't who is is, 90% of the fans woulda been calling for his head 3 or 4 games before the end of the season. I think he could be a good manager in the future, but its too soon for him. We need a Mick McCarthy, not a Nick.

I'm still amazed at the people slating the Allams for lying and being devious. They put 51 million quid into the club. You didn't. They did. Yes they might have handled this badly, but honestly, if some of you looked in the mirror, can you honestly say you're not reacting badly too? They didnt give us the 51m as a way to make a quick buck, they didn't do it to buy us as a plaything, they're as much Hull as anyone on here, they don't plan to run the club into the ground, they want us to be a success, so seriously, stop with the ****ing whining about that. No Allams = No Hull City. If you cant get your head round that fact, I pity you.

I was pretty annoyed at Nick during the losing run but never thought he should be sacked and the way we finished the season and the football we've been playing, combined with the players Barmby wanted to sign and taking into account the conditions he was working under, I was pretty excited for next season. Regardless of Barmby's roots, I just thought he was doing a good job.

As for the Allams, I don't really get your point. Of course we didn't put £50m in because we don't have it, I'm sure there are people on here who would buy City if they could because we are the real fans who really do care for the club. The Allam's done care about City any more than any other sport they are interested in. You can't just suddenly become passionate in this short space of time for something they never previously cared about. I don't think the fans annoyed at the owners are overreacting, but even if we were it doesn't matter, we are just posters on a messageboard, we aren't in complete control over the football club. The Allams are in control and as such their actions have epic consequences to the future of this club.

Mick McCarthy? Why would he come? I don't think he'd see us as a big enough club to work for even if we didn't have the kind of owners no manager wants to work for who will sack you if you simply say the wrong thing in an interview so tame that no one had a problem with it at the time and in fact, we still aren't sure which interview it was that pissed them off so much! Since we do have those owners I don't think we'll get anyone particularly highly sought after.

They have openly shared their vision for the club which I genuinely believe. They are very shrewd business people, supported by the fact that their personal wealth grew by £131M last year alone. You do not achieve such results by accepting ordinary performance from the people who work for you, they will be paying top money for the managers who work for them, why should they accept anything other than extraordinary performance.

Very, very unlikely.

Not really bothered whether transfers were sanctioned or not. If we already have one of the highest wage bills of the division then the team we have SHOULD be performing and delivering!

If the Owners turned around in January and said you aren't having anymore money, we've got one of the highest paid squads in the division get them performing. Then that's down to the management team to make sure that happens.

I dont think thats massively unreasonable.

It's fine for us to say we're weak here, here and here go out and buy. but if we're paying alot for the players in that position currently; it should be a case of he's costing us so get him performing or get rid.

Yes but as we all know, the wage bill is high due to likes of Ghilas, Oli and McShane who aren't good enough to make the team. So the size of the wage bill doesn't anything like reflect the quality of the squad. NB was expected to gain promotion with a squad that we all agreed was very thin and he failed due to an obvious lack of cover players in a hectic March. The most obvious way to avoid that is by adding players in January.

 

[Rigsby]

SO why not sack him for being a **** manager and not achieving the goal of play off football? Why suspend him for comments made to the media?

They have not yet made it clear why he has been suspended. Maybe there is more to come out.

Perhaps NB reacted in an improper manner when hearing AP had left.

 

[originallambrettaman]

hang on.... the allams said in december money would be available, "millions" ..... barmby later came out and said he was happy with the squad and would not bring anyone else in..... nick also said this is his decision and if it turns out to be the wrong decision, on his head be it.... burnsey asked if he would take the blame, he said he would. (trying to find that interview but most should remember it)

now, this is exactly what the allams are now saying happened.... how do we know its not true ? that new naive manager barmby took a gamble not to bring anyone else in... and its blew up in his face.

AP has been stating for the past month or so, that there no funds available for the summer and we'd only be looking at loans and free agents. Do you think that's what his boss was telling him, or do you think that Assem was planning on spending millions and just didn't bother to tell him, or do you think there's possibly a chance that Assem might be playing games here?

 

[Brucebones]

It's fine for us to say we're weak here, here and here go out and buy. but if we're paying alot for the players in that position currently; it should be a case of he's costing us so get him performing or get rid.

That's easier said than done, we still have Macca, Oli & Ghilas on the bill.

 

[premiertiger]

They have not yet made it clear why he has been suspended. Maybe there is more to come out.

Perhaps NB reacted in an improper manner when hearing AP had left.

I can 100% tell that is not the case - I can't say much now, but believe me they are talking ****.

 

[PLT]

I can 100% tell that is not the case - I can't say much now, but believe me they are talking ****.

I think it's just me that believes you to be honest...

 

[hullborn]

your right OLM, well u could be right

question again is who do we believe. for me the situation in january is the most confusing. nick hesitated singing the manager contract until he was reassured about having money to spend as promised and that players would not be sold. very shortly after nick said HE has decided not to bring anyone in... now either the allams lied to him shortly after he signed the contract or nick was being honest and the truth is exactly what is being said by the allams.

 

[C'mon ref]

As much as this is a big disappointment the way this is going at the moment I don't think it is any different to what has happened to English football right the way through to even the Premier League. Chelsea with their boss has hired and fired at will and goodness knows how much he has 'invested' in the Club. Remember Man Utd and the Glazers not forgetting Liverpool and their American paymasters. Then of course just across the border a certain Scottish club may fall from grace in a big way.

Although this is further down the scale compared to the bigger club there are plenty of examples at City's level, not to mention Leeds, Portsmouth, etc. I have read many comments about this situation and I'm not quite sure what many of the concerned fans are suggesting as an alternative to a business man having apparently put £50 million of his family fortune into Hull City and who now seems to be getting flack for the handling of the media aspects of this situation.

Nick is indeed a local lad done good, but there was sniping on these forums about some of his decisions after a few games goodness knows how long it would have been before someone would have been calling for his head at some point. As far as I am aware we are not saddled with debt we once were, and at the moment no one has left, although that situation could change any day I'm aware of that. Unless the wheels really come off then Hull City should start the new season in the same situation they left the last one, albeit with a few changes, but at least it seems we will be there, more than can be said for Rangers and maybe one or two other clubs in the English leagues.

 

[NewarkTiger]

Personally I think most peoples opinions are based primarily on what PT and OLM are saying (which is basically that the Allam's are lying through their teeth).

I've got nothing against what they are coming out and saying, but there are only 4 people who actually know what is going on and that is the Allams, Barmby and Pearson. There is nobody on this forum who has been privy to any private conversation that the 4 of them have had over transfers, targets, performances etc etc.

Abromovich has ploughed money into Chelsea and he wanted to win the Champions League – those that have failed to meet his expectations have been given the boot.

Is it wholly inconceivable that the Allams expected the play offs, they were prepared to finance it and Barmby and Pearsons reluctance to do so has cost them both their job?

Is it also inconceivable that they have a manager in mind to achieve those targets and the money that they have continuously promised will be made available and we will spend in the summer?

If it was my club and I wanted to spend money on players and Pearson kept telling me I couldn’t I’d tell him to **** off – the allams obviously have the money to throw at it and to back up what they want to spend.

Maybe they don’t trust Nick to spend it wisely?

There are so many possibilities around this scenario but everyone is jumping on the bandwagon to slag off Mr Allam! If Nick Barmby wasn’t Nick Barmby we’d have called for his head a long time ago as we have been **** and he just doesn’t see it.

Yes, the situation hasn’t been handled that well and maybe that is down to Assam’s insistence on running the club like any other business when it’s probably not as simple as that at a football club. For example, if his production manager at Allam Marine failed to meet his targets and had turned down the tools to meet them, he would probably get sacked, but there wouldn’t be a 30 page forum discussion on it – its business.

I’m going to go way out on a limb and say this:

Mr Allam will appoint a manager who he feels can achieve his targets of a top 6 place. Mr Allam will fund said new manager with the funds that he has stressed are available. Hull City will come out of this stronger and better equipped for next season. Nick Barmby and Adam Pearson will be long forgotten and the club will move on to bigger and better things.

 

[4thGenerationTiger]

Yes but as we all know, the wage bill is high due to likes of Ghilas, Oli and McShane who aren't good enough to make the team. So the size of the wage bill doesn't anything like reflect the quality of the squad. NB was expected to gain promotion with a squad that we all agreed was very thin and he failed due to an obvious lack of cover players in a hectic March. The most obvious way to avoid that is by adding players in January.

Like you said we all know that the wage bill is mainly due to a few players. But businessmen often just look to the bottom line, and the bottomline is out wage bill is one of the highest; from that comes a certain level of expectation. They must have performed originally to get those wages in the first place, so the fact they aren't good enough for the squad probably doesn't hold water with the owners. I can understand why. These are high paid players and the management needs to get the best out of them (and to see them perform well once out on loan only backs this up really).

 

[hullborn]

Personally I think most peoples opinions are based primarily on what PT and OLM are saying (which is basically that the Allam's are lying through their teeth).

I've got nothing against what they are coming out and saying, but there are only 4 people who actually know what is going on and that is the Allams, Barmby and Pearson. There is nobody on this forum who has been privy to any private conversation that the 4 of them have had over transfers, targets, performances etc etc.

Abromovich has ploughed money into Chelsea and he wanted to win the Champions League – those that have failed to meet his expectations have been given the boot.

Is it wholly inconceivable that the Allams expected the play offs, they were prepared to finance it and Barmby and Pearsons reluctance to do so has cost them both their job?

Is it also inconceivable that they have a manager in mind to achieve those targets and the money that they have continuously promised will be made available and we will spend in the summer?

If it was my club and I wanted to spend money on players and Pearson kept telling me I couldn’t I’d tell him to **** off – the allams obviously have the money to throw at it and to back up what they want to spend.

Maybe they don’t trust Nick to spend it wisely?

There are so many possibilities around this scenario but everyone is jumping on the bandwagon to slag off Mr Allam! If Nick Barmby wasn’t Nick Barmby we’d have called for his head a long time ago as we have been **** and he just doesn’t see it.

Yes, the situation hasn’t been handled that well and maybe that is down to Assam’s insistence on running the club like any other business when it’s probably not as simple as that at a football club. For example, if his production manager at Allam Marine failed to meet his targets and had turned down the tools to meet them, he would probably get sacked, but there wouldn’t be a 30 page forum discussion on it – its business.

I’m going to go way out on a limb and say this:

Mr Allam will appoint a manager who he feels can achieve his targets of a top 6 place. Mr Allam will fund said new manager with the funds that he has stressed are available. Hull City will come out of this stronger and better equipped for next season. Nick Barmby and Adam Pearson will be long forgotten and the club will move on to bigger and better things.

id like to think this is whats happened.. only problem is, as others have said.. why handle it in this way ? why not just terminate barmbys contract because he's failed to deliver what was agreed as many chairmen do around the world. also why would pearson be fired without compensation... they must have a good reason for that..

 

[Nick HCAFC]

If it's true that Barmby and Pearson won't be commenting for legal reasons then I will be taking anything our benevolent owners come out with with a massive pinch of salt

 

[PLT]

Yes Boothferry I do fnd it wholly inconceivable that NB refused to buy players. He's made it pretty clear in the media he did want to sign players. The interview has been linked on this forum several times for anyone who wants to see it. He basically stopped all the crap about not wanting players in the middle of an interview and more or less admitted he had been covering for the Allams and it needed to stop.

I can't believe so many people are desperately searching for a way to avoid blaming the Allams for this. It's absolutely embarrassing what they have done lately and even more embarrassing that they keep trying to lie their way out of it. It's obvious what has actually happened here.

 

[PLT]

Like you said we all know that the wage bill is mainly due to a few players. But businessmen often just look to the bottom line, and the bottomline is out wage bill is one of the highest; from that comes a certain level of expectation. They must have performed originally to get those wages in the first place, so the fact they aren't good enough for the squad probably doesn't hold water with the owners. I can understand why. These are high paid players and the management needs to get the best out of them (and to see them perform well once out on loan only backs this up really).

I think we both know those players are complete gash. Ghilas is performing at a standard probablyu equivalent to our League 2 and McShane looked like a pub player when he turned up for the Burnley game. Oli let us down in his one league start this season. They're all crap. If the extent of the Allams' football knowledge is that the highest paid players must be the best then taking over from AP is an even worse decision than I thought.

 

[StrovolosTiger]

The problem is a lot of people don't know the facts.

Nobody is questioning the Allams for the money they put in to save the club (£50+ million).

The issue comes with what they are saying in public today in the HDM and what has been said behind closed doors are very different. At the moment they can quite easily spout off saying that they would have given millions in January both in transfer and salaries, but the reality of that is very different.

Nick nor Adam can come out and say the opposite because of the legal situation, so right now the Allams are saying what they think the fans want to hear, but apart from Jan 2011 we haven't spent any money on transfers, at which time they didn't know how much extra they would be having to put in to save the club.

If money was available, why didn't they make funds available for Nigel Pearson last summer? We signed a couple of loan players, and a couple of free transfers who had low wage demands, why would they wait to make funds available in January when transfer fees are always inflated, with less than half a season for a new player to blend in to a squad, surely you spend big in the summer if ever?

I don't understand why Adam cannot speak out. He was employed on a consultancy basis so that contract cannot be worth much. Is he intending to sue for something else?