But the fact of the matter is that 90% of the people on this forum believe the words of 2 people who like it or not, DO NOT sit at boardroom level, over the owners of the club. Like Mussie has said, credence is given to their posts, but they have been wrong on many things in the past. The 10% of people on this forum who have decided to take a different view and look at this situation in a different light are shot down in flames at the first opportunity.
your not out on a limb mate. i agree entirely with you. we ve seen it before and we ll see it again. and again........
Owners interested in Billy Sharp. AP and NB not. Which means both sides are being truthful. I believe the owners were also interested in Becchio. AP and NB wanted to maintain a even dressing room and believed they could do it with the squad (which I believe they said). However I'd been interested to hear what they would say about the Hammill deal. A quick way to get some more people on side would be to get a manager in and get Chester and Evans on improved deals.
PT and OLM have obviously got some contacts within the club, but I dare say these contacts are close to Nick & Adam rather than the Allams, therefore the info they get fed may have a bias & sympathy towards NB & AP. I'm therefore, with respect, taking their views on this matter with a little pinch of salt as its all sided against the Allams.
I really, really hope they're wrong, particularly what OLM said about some of the players leaving, but I can't see it. The 'fact of the matter' is they've earned that reputation by being right. PT only started posting after Barmby took over and at first people were sceptical but by being consistently right on things weeks before they happened he's earned the same 'in the know' status as OLM. Just because someone doesn't like that they are in the know, doesn't mean they aren't.
It's now clear it was NB & APs decision not to strengthen in January. Maybe the Allams feel that their own ambition was greater than that of NB & AP?? My position hasn't changed since yesterday, I have just read the snippets on here and can find no reason to disbelieve the Allams and find it hard to fathom sudden hatred directed towards them. Why is it clear. You don't know why they did not want to sign Billy Sharp. Allams said a Premier league striker until the end of the season. Was there one available. How do you know there were not other condition attached to this. Sorry but things are not going to be that simple and until I hear what Nick and Adam have to say I refuse to believe all the stuff the Allams say so we will have to agree to differ there.
The more I hear and also reading between the lines, it looks to me like the classic case of the owners trying to take too keen an interest in the day to day running of team affairs and AP/NB trying to resist it. I suspect that the crux of the matter is that NB/AP had their ideas about the type of players they wanted but the Allams didn't agree with them and were only prepared to sanction moves for the players they felt would improve our chances. The major flaw with this is that by their own admission they know nothing about football! What we're left with now presumably, is a situation whereby whoever is in charge of the playing side of the club is going to have to do as he's told or expect to be taken out of the equation one way or another.
From reading the interview my overriding feeling is that as the Allam's are business men and have built up their business themselves they believe they know best and do not want to and are not prepared to listen to anyone else, hence getting rid of Adam. I am inclined to believe that Nick had identified players that he thought would fit into our squad and not upset a promising young team but maybe for financial reasons the Allams would not let him have those players. How very convenient that they could pick a name out of the air like Billy Sharp (cos that basically is what they are doing) read the interview, they sound like they had just heard his name mentioned in certain circles. If Nick thought he would not fit in here then I will go along with that. When asked who would identify players they vaguely say they have people to do that (who?). When asked who would negotiate for those players to come to the club they say they will do that themselves. Oh yeah we know what people skills they have. Throughout the interview how many times do they mention "value for money" but that will be their assumption of value for money. I would love to believe everything will be rosy and wonderful in the future but I just can't at the moment. I don't doubt that their intentions are good I'll give them that but I do not believe that they have the knowledge, contacts or people skills to be able to do that. Can you tel me if Fergie would let his owners tell him who to sign, is any manager going to be happy with that.
In the Allams I trust , always have done ..they saved the Club when nO one else with money cared a toss .. In my opinion the Allams have done so much in the area when they didn't have to give a penny . It's not just the football club they have helped . I would stick a statue of Assem Allam in the middle of Hull if I had my way . I can't understand why so much shut is thrown at the Allams . I am glad they have put season ticket prices up, serves all the moaning twats right who Demand the Allams throw more and more of there cash at the club... As fans we can do the same and pay a few quid more as well. Assem and Ehabs Black and Amber Army ....
Clearly the Allams have managed to divide us in half... Which is clever of them but dangerous for us. It's still very complicated and I think a lot of us would be more likely to believe one kind guy, legend at the club with the best intentions for us rather than business men, who are PR experts... Either way they have control, what's done is done, I'm just still fuming at the manner. NB honestly didn't deserve to be sacked on terms like that. I hope he gets compensation. We're going to have to be very weary from now on of the Allams. Take everything they say or do lightly.
what ever happens we all know we will be there come August. That is what football fans do. Apart from those who still dream Premier Plasticdom anyway!
The Allams stated in January no Star Players would leave They did not. They now state that the club is NOT for Sale, No 1st team players will be sold and Team will be improved this Summer. What is wrong with that???? I understand that no confirmation as to Nicks position has been made because he is considering an alternative role and a new more experianced Manager will be brought in. TIME WILL TELL
He's been suspended. How that can turn into him staying for another role I do not understand. They want to sack him and this is their way of doing it because this is how it works in the business world and the way everyone else in football does it is wrong. If the team is going to be strengthened in the summer and we're getting a better manager then great but I don't see it, I really don't. The manager has to be someone who will take this exact kind of **** that Barmby has had to take. Regardless of whether you believe what has gone on since January, the fact is he has been suspended for a comment in the media (a comment which not one person on here thought there was anything wrong with, that's why it's come as such a surprise that he's been sacked). You see managers turning down the England job because of all the **** that comes with it and this job isn't even that desirable in the first place, nobody sees us as a big club from the outside so who will want to come here, especially now? The players have been loyal to us so far but with all this **** going on and their closest allies kicked out why should they stay when another of their allies, NP, will want them at Leicester at a club where money will be spent? I can't believe the debate about players coming in is still ongoing. The Allam's are happy for players to come in as long as it's players that suits them, which seems to just be limited to PL youngsters. As we know there are some good youngsters like Chester but they certainly aren't all as good as him. If money was being spent none of this would have happened. This is all about the money that wasn't available to NB which he was publicly promised. I don't see why they would suddenly be willing to give money to a new manager.
anybody think pearson was shown the door due to not being able to shift any of the dead wood ie ghilas, olifinjana and mcshaneas well as others permanantly off the wage book as well as commanding a decent wage himself, and barmby has maybe been told he isnt experianced enough after all, so there going down a different route for the better of the club. somebody touched on saying mccarthy if he comes should be worried about the allams, after seeing the massive over reaction to a manager maybe being replaced due to trying to pressurize the owners through the media which come on is a tad disrespectful theres other ways and means ie private meetings, and the fact when placed in the playoffs for 2 months didnt push on and strengthen ala jason roberts and secure promotion/playoff place, id maybe say its a large portion of the fans he should be worried about. in fact lets all be racist and insulting towards them for trying to make us self sufficient and successful , yes time will tell if there recent promises and statements become true but everything so far points towards them doing whats best for the club.
From most of what has been said on here no manager will come to us unless he is desperate' what a crock of bull ****e. Any manager who may be approached will insist on guarantees before saying yes, I believe that there was money available in January but Adam and Nick did not believe that there was any better out there than we already had, infact Nick said this himself publicaly did he not. Nick has the making of a fine manager in the future and needs to learn his trade as a manager first.
How come Barmby cant speak out on his side of the story ? How long is NBs contract , and how much would he have to loose ?? AP should be able to speak out if he feels it necessary as he wouldnt be jeopardising any compo as he most probably isnt due any .
Nick is under contract with the club, speaking out will not be allowed and would only harm any claim he may have in the future against them.
Ok..... having watched Tigergate unfold, I suspect here lies the porblem...... The Allams were being told we had a strong enough squad to achieve 6th place minimum. They claim to have offered funds to improve the team/ squad but these were allegedly declined by the management team and supported by the `consultant`. Then we finish 8th with the manager stating he want funds to invest, possibly deemed by Mssrs ALAAM snr and jnr as a way of passing the buck. Another anomoly I can`t get my head round is why invest £50+m in a football team, only to decline to invest when the club is sat in play off positions with a chance of recouping a large portion of that investment. While I have the utmost regard for AP and NB, I also have similar for the ALLAMS who unlike the masses spouting on here and elsewhere (mr BURNS !), did not come to `OUR` clubs rescue at its darkest (or certainly one of them) hour. Lets see where we are in 2 months, I shall put my head above the trenches and suggest that we may well be better off, but time will tell.
Agreed. Im also starting to suspect that Adam was spending more time on his rugby related interests and was of less and less use to the club. Im not knocking him for that, he's always done a good job for us in the past, but my gut feeling is, that was less so recently.
