Harry Stay or Go !!!

[seagullhoop]

I am sincerely enjoying watching him fail because as a fan base it brings us together again and we are the blood of the club

Can I put on record that, in my opinion, what you have said throughout this thread is (for me at least) doing exactly the opposite of 'bringing us together'.

I'm certainly not happy with what's going on, but I find the personal attacks are unnecessary and deeply unpleasant.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I respect your right to say what you feel and my right to disagree, but I wanted to be clear that I don't believe anyone on here is in any way representative of the 'fan base'.

 

[aqualung]

When his ego submits is when he will go out of football ... no sign of that happening IMO

Are you Jamie by any chance?

 

[aqualung]

Can I put on record that, in my opinion, what you have said throughout this thread is (for me at least) doing exactly the opposite of 'bringing us together'.

I'm certainly not happy with what's going on, but I find the personal attacks are unnecessary and deeply unpleasant.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I respect your right to say what you feel and my right to disagree, but I wanted to be clear that I don't believe anyone on here is in any way representative of the 'fan base'.

Good post, exactly this.

 

[TWGWTDT]

Can I put on record that, in my opinion, what you have said throughout this thread is (for me at least) doing exactly the opposite of 'bringing us together'.

I'm certainly not happy with what's going on, but I find the personal attacks are unnecessary and deeply unpleasant.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I respect your right to say what you feel and my right to disagree, but I wanted to be clear that I don't believe anyone on here is in any way representative of the 'fan base'.

Well that's your opinion if you don't think that this forum represents in anyway the fan base stay asleep.
The introduction of the forum model has meant exactly that a place where fans who make the effort to make their opinions and place them in the public domain FFS our Chairman has built his image around exactly that.
I am proud that I have supported and had a glass full approach every since i joined in what just a collection of negative opinions but enough is enough
Take stock of the actions that have got us to where we are today its been based on lies in my opinion.
I agree about the personal attacks the forum is full of them against players past and present ... I defend them!
Because I am now looking at the real reasons I believe our club goes from bad to worst I am told that they are unnecessary and unpleasant.!

I don't care if I ruffle feathers and truly believe that the only constant of any club is it's fan base and I truly believe that this forum is a very good if not the best barometer of our fan base.

There is without doubt today a much better togetherness on here because the truth can't be denied on where we are
The QPR business doesn't look sustainable
The football ethos of QPR is not good because our leader has lost his way ... you can't continue to make this many wrong decisions
I agree 100% that stability is key but we have a manager who doesn't care enough us the fans. I want him to do his job because he has been getting away with it for too long
I have been waiting for us to unite against him and the facts are we are so that is good

 

[aqualung]

Well that's your opinion if you don't think that this forum represents in anyway the fan base stay asleep.
The introduction of the forum model has meant exactly that a place where fans who make the effort to make their opinions and place them in the public domain FFS our Chairman has built his image around exactly that.
I am proud that I have supported and had a glass full approach every since i joined in what just a collection of negative opinions but enough is enough
Take stock of the actions that have got us to where we are today its been based on lies in my opinion.
I agree about the personal attacks the forum is full of them against players past and present ... I defend them!
Because I am now looking at the real reasons I believe our club goes from bad to worst I am told that they are unnecessary and unpleasant.!

I don't care if I ruffle feathers and truly believe that the only constant of any club is it's fan base and I truly believe that this forum is a very good if not the best barometer of our fan base.

There is without doubt today a much better togetherness on here because the truth can't be denied on where we are
The QPR business doesn't look sustainable
The football ethos of QPR is not good because our leader has lost his way ... you can't continue to make this many wrong decisions
I agree 100% that stability is key but we have a manager who doesn't care enough us the fans. I want him to do his job because he has been getting away with it for too long
I have been waiting for us to unite against him and the facts are we are so that is good

Mate, I really do think you are giving all this way too much thought! Way out of proportion to what is fundamentally a game of football!

 

[seagullhoop]

Well that's your opinion if you don't think that this forum represents in anyway the fan base stay asleep.
The introduction of the forum model has meant exactly that a place where fans who make the effort to make their opinions and place them in the public domain FFS our Chairman has built his image around exactly that.
I am proud that I have supported and had a glass full approach every since i joined in what just a collection of negative opinions but enough is enough
Take stock of the actions that have got us to where we are today its been based on lies in my opinion.
I agree about the personal attacks the forum is full of them against players past and present ... I defend them!
Because I am now looking at the real reasons I believe our club goes from bad to worst I am told that they are unnecessary and unpleasant.!

I don't care if I ruffle feathers and truly believe that the only constant of any club is it's fan base and I truly believe that this forum is a very good if not the best barometer of our fan base.

There is without doubt today a much better togetherness on here because the truth can't be denied on where we are
The QPR business doesn't look sustainable
The football ethos of QPR is not good because our leader has lost his way ... you can't continue to make this many wrong decisions
I agree 100% that stability is key but we have a manager who doesn't care enough us the fans. I want him to do his job because he has been getting away with it for too long
I have been waiting for us to unite against him and the facts are we are so that is good

A barometer is a poor concept - a forum is a disparate group of opinions and perspectives - it doesn't ever lead to a single 'reading, and I find it hard to agree that people are 'united' against TF, in particular or that wishing failure on the team is a broadly held desire.

As I said, I respect any individuals opinions, and I welcome constructive discussion and debate, but I'll reiterate that baseless, personal attacks which assume motives and intents which cannot be supported are not fair and yes, unpleasant.

 

[rangercol]

I'm pretty sure that the crowd at LR are still very much behind Tony.

I'm not sure how long they will remain loyal to old Dino chops though.

 

[Uber_Hoop]

I want him to do his job because he has been getting away with it for too long...

...I have been waiting for us to unite against him and the facts are we are so that is good

Somewhat contradictory, Paulie boy.

 

[seagullhoop]

I'm pretty sure that the crowd at LR are still very much behind Tony.

I'm not sure how long they will remain loyal to old Dino chops though.

I think, annoying though it is, we fans can be quite fickle - no doubt a few wins would change the mood.

It's interesting how after May 24th there was an almost collective amnesia about the preceding season. I do remember reading several threads (on here and elsewhere) where criticism of the season was not welcomed.

I think part of the problem, for me at least, is that reconciling how football has changed over the past few years with how I feel about my club.

It has been said many times about how our club has always been like a family, deeply embedded into the community - I do think the step change around ownership, money, reward and the risks of failure has just fundamentally changed things. We, the fans, are the same - they, the clubs, have changed - but given that, can we reasonably expect our relationship with them to remain constant?

You hear the phrase (and I'm not talking solely about us) 'we want our club back' - I think the reality of that is that this model probably only works much further down the leagues. It's a sad irony that at a time when we are more able to communicate with our clubs than at any time before, we (the fans) are now more detached from them.

 

[YorkshireHoopster]

I think, annoying though it is, we fans can be quite fickle - no doubt a few wins would change the mood.

It's interesting how after May 24th there was an almost collective amnesia about the preceding season. I do remember reading several threads (on here and elsewhere) where criticism of the season was not welcomed. .......................

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It is indeed. I remember many on here, no names mentioned, they know who they are, attacking those of us who were critical of the ****e served up last season. I dare say Seagull is quite right in his observation though - a few wins and they will all jump back on board the 'Redknapp is our saviour' bandwagon. Sorry if that is deemed to be provocative but when some good posters are singled out for flak and therefore leave as a result of them expressing views which many of us sympathised with, it's fair comment to make the point.

 

[TWGWTDT]

The posters who didn't take to Redknapp from the off are the ones I respect the most ... as for fickle well I am not ashamed to have put that out there 2 years ago ... As I did the atmosphere at LR at times
Either way I predict again that the fans will align United again it's a cycle shame the journey has had to happen that way.
We aren't by any way doomed in this league it's all to play for and very exciting but the people in charge have to do better

 

[CamchatkaFC]

I think, annoying though it is, we fans can be quite fickle - no doubt a few wins would change the mood.

Absolutely. If we pull off at least one if not a couple away wins, beat some of the bigger clubs at home, there will be a lot of "see, I knew we'd come around".

My sense is that we have an club that is far better than some of the others and deserving of staying up, but not performing well. We have a manager, who has made a series of poor personnel choices at high cost and painted us into a corner with the wrong players for the wrong style. Now we're stuck.

No amount of winning the rest of the season will change the fact that there are some fundamentals about the way the club has been run and managed that are broken. We need a new, long-term and sustainable vision and I think that Tony Fernandes and Les Ferdinand have started putting this together. But it's at the start and I think we need to acknowledge that and support the moves that support the vision -- including whomever we select/release in the transfer window.

 

[Swords Hoopster.]

I remember many on here, no names mentioned, they know who they are...... when some good posters are singled out for flak and therefore leave as a result of them expressing views which many of us sympathised with, it's fair comment to make the point.

Me ousting Flyer obviously. Look Yorkie, if someone posts incessant opinions almost to the point of a serious consideration that the person is suffering from some sort of psychosis, then its natural they're going to get flak. Many others including myself have gotten flak for one thing or another but we didn't cry off, we took it on the chest. This Board is not a place for children and if you can't hack it then its not for you.

Even Oddball who is a big admirer of Flyer's would agree with me on this point.

 

[loomo]

Tony may have twisted if there was anyone worth having. We might not be having the season we'd hoped for, but can you say for certainty that there's anyone more qualified to guarantee survival, no or course not cause you just can't predict what will happen.

The position we are in atm, we're just as likely to finish mid table as we are to be relegated. I've never known such an unpopular and divisive manager in my 40 odd years of supporting the club. I know the Premiership and league position is everything to some fans nowadays, but for me it's about where the club is heading long term. In years gone past we haven't had a future, we looked destined to go bust. But now, we look likely to get a new stadium, training ground and owners willing to bankroll the club, all in all not a bad set of things to look forward to.

Manager come and go, Rednapp I think will be gone at the end of the season no matter what happens, but it doesn't matter, the club and team I support will still be here no matter what division we're in. The feeling of winning is the same no matter who you beat, if you're in a lower division you tend to get that feeling a bit more often? So to me, even though I want the Prem, my team will be in whatever division they're in, it wont change how I feel.

But for those who are starting to turn on Tony, be careful, for while he has clearly made mistakes, they haven't been made through screwing the club over like most of our past owners. The new stadium and all the other plans are things we could only dream of in the past, turn on him and we may well lose him and then the future wouldn't look so rosey. He's made mistakes, but has tried his best to help the club. I think we'll be struggling until we have the new stadium as we'll constantly be fighting a battle with getting the right players v staying in the Prem, which we cant do without throwing money at a problem that can swallow millions that the club itself can't afford. The only thing that truly matters is being in the Prem on the first day at our new stadium. Being in the championship until that day will probably more suitable and sustainable until that day.

But the division amongst fans is my biggest worry by far nowadays.

best post so far..spot on as far as i am concerned

 

[danishqp]

Me ousting Flyer obviously. Look Yorkie, if someone posts incessant opinions almost to the point of a serious consideration that the person is suffering from some sort of psychosis, then its natural they're going to get flak. Many others including myself have gotten flak for one thing or another but we didn't cry off, we took it on the chest. This Board is not a place for children and if you can't hack it then its not for you.

Even Oddball who is a big admirer of Flyer's would agree with me on this point.

You're a deluded Count - "Me ousting Flyer"? - Seriously, you could actually do banter...... once upon a time.
You think it natural to provide someone you may think suffers from psychosis, some flak?
Now get back in your cab, there's an old tranny that needs to go shopping wait and return and she's requested you.

 

[Swords Hoopster.]

You think it natural to provide someone you may think suffers from psychosis, some flak?

On here? Yes, 100%. His Nurses should keep a closer eye on him. He's not my problem. Do I look like the NHS?

Now get back in your cab, there's an old tranny that needs to go shopping wait and return and she's requested you

She requested me alright. And not just to put her shopping in the boot

 

[Swords Hoopster.]

What's wrong with this fukking Site? Quotes and sh*t still aren't working right

 

[UTRs]

What's wrong with this fukking Site? Quotes and sh*t still aren't working right

Mate, the site is running like horse poo this evening. It must be due to lots of members being logged on due to deadline day. It's a tad slow and I keep getting server time out notifications in red boxes.

Hang in there mate!

 

[TWGWTDT]

Me ousting Flyer obviously. Look Yorkie, if someone posts incessant opinions almost to the point of a serious consideration that the person is suffering from some sort of psychosis, then its natural they're going to get flak. Many others including myself have gotten flak for one thing or another but we didn't cry off, we took it on the chest. This Board is not a place for children and if you can't hack it then its not for you.

Even Oddball who is a big admirer of Flyer's would agree with me on this point.

I am his lover

 

[Swords Hoopster.]

I am his lover

Don't say that. Danish will get jealous