Off Topic General Election

[Evington]

Agreed - at least people live longer under a Tory Govt

Not sure if you are taking the piss or not but life expectancy is very much related to socio economic background. If that is true then the Tories are doing everything possible to increase the death rate (in my opinion of course).

 

[Evington]

Euthanasia should be legal too

At least for members on this forum

 

[Charon]

Not sure if you are taking the piss or not but life expectancy is very much related to socio economic background. If that is true then the Tories are doing everything possible to increase the death rate (in my opinion of course).

Just my little laugh

 

[PLT]

Further left than him yes but not far left, as I intimated there's a lot of room to go left of Starmer...

It never seems to be talked about but I think it's pretty clear that Starmer/Labour have very deliberately (and successfully) positioned themselves as being centre-left and moderate because they know it's the way to win an election. Whilst people are sick of the Tories, I think a lot of their ideology is still fairly popular, and left-wing people like myself need to learn to live with that. For example, I think it'd be hard to get elected without saying you're going to clamp down on small boats, or without promising to keep us out of the EU. I suspect Starmer and the others are perhaps more left-wing at heart than they've positioned themselves. But having campaigned and almost certainly won on this basis, it's hard to see how they could implement more left-wing policies. Although some of the stuff in the manifesto is appealing, like the GB Energy company.

 

[PLT]

So, a longer lockdown and paying a lot of people to sit at home would have been better? The fact the scientific advisors were not correct in their predictions either.

It's been done to death on here so I'm sure we'll regret getting into it but undoubtedly we should've locked down sooner and more clearly. Arguably by being more decisive and listening to the experts we wouldn't have ever had to lock down for as long as we ended up doing. A global pandemic was never going to be fun, but Johnson let it get way out of hand because he wasn't prepared to face the reality of it.

 

[Evington]

I think you're looking back with red tinted glasses. If you think just voting out Tories will magically end it and it'll change everything.....I've got some magic beans you can buy

How much?

 

[Howdentiger2]

It never seems to be talked about but I think it's pretty clear that Starmer/Labour have very deliberately (and successfully) positioned themselves as being centre-left and moderate because they know it's the way to win an election. Whilst people are sick of the Tories, I think a lot of their ideology is still fairly popular, and left-wing people like myself need to learn to live with that. For example, I think it'd be hard to get elected without saying you're going to clamp down on small boats, or without promising to keep us out of the EU. I suspect Starmer and the others are perhaps more left-wing at heart than they've positioned themselves. But having campaigned and almost certainly won on this basis, it's hard to see how they could implement more left-wing policies. Although some of the stuff in the manifesto is appealing, like the GB Energy company.

Labour aren't getting in because of anything they have done or how they have positioned themselfs, they are getting the keys to #10 because of how poor Tories are ATM. Nothing more nothing less....it's a default win

 

[bradymk2]

I vote for a dictatorship

 

[Howdentiger2]

How much?

£1.99 and no credit

 

[Evington]

Labour aren't getting in because of anything they have done or how they have positioned themselfs, they are getting the keys to #10 because of how poor Tories are ATM. Nothing more nothing less....it's a default win

Bit like watching city. I'll take any win. A win is a win.

 

[Evington]

£1.99 and no credit

Klarna?

 

[PLT]

Labour aren't getting in because of anything they have done or how they have positioned themselfs, they are getting the keys to #10 because of how poor Tories are ATM. Nothing more nothing less....it's a default win

I think if we still had Corbynism it'd be very different. I think Labour learned from that and realised that you need to meet people in the middle in order to get elected, rather than setting out your ideal plan for the world knowing that whilst some people would love it, half the electorate would hate it.

 

[bradymk2]

Should tracksuits be banned in non sporting places/events?

 

[SW3 Chelsea Tiger]

I think if we still had Corbynism it'd be very different. I think Labour learned from that and realised that you need to meet people in the middle in order to get elected, rather than setting out your ideal plan for the world knowing that whilst some people would love it, half the electorate would hate it.

Doing a Tony Blair then

 

[Heimdallr]

Should tracksuits be banned in non sporting places/events?

There would be a lot of Serbians and Florida pensioners walking around naked...

 

[Jim the Tiger]

Labour aren't getting in because of anything they have done or how they have positioned themselfs, they are getting the keys to #10 because of how poor Tories are ATM. Nothing more nothing less....it's a default win

Two cheeks of the same arse.
If anyone thinks voting for any politician or party will improve their life they need to follow the money.
The country is controlled by people way above dickheads like Karl Turner and Graham Stewart

 

[DMD]

For all the media coverage, the Country doesn't exactly feel like it's gripped with election fever does it?

That apathy sits with politicians, the media and the civil service. I'm sure there are others that can be added to that list.

 

[Gone For A Walk]

To anyone complaining that Starmer is not being completely honest about what will happen after the election let's see what he says on Friday and does in the following 5 years.
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Imo, it's been good to be able to make political comments, to read other's comments and 'debate'.
5 years is a long time.
How about we have a 6 monthly or annual window on here like this one to discuss / assess progress?

 

[PLT]

Doing a Tony Blair then

Maybe yeah. He did a lot of good from my point of view as a left-wing person, despite being described by other left-wing people as a red Tory. I think perhaps a weakness of left-wing people is that sometimes we demand perfection and nothing less, and dramatically call anyone that isn't our idea of perfection a Tory in disguise.

 

[Jim the Tiger]

For all the media coverage, the Country doesn't exactly feel like it's gripped with election fever does it?

That apathy sits with politicians, the media and the civil service. I'm sure there are others that can be added to that list.

I've read enough of your posts to know you're awake to how things work. I feel this is a real indication of how many others feel the same. The system is bread and circuses. People are becoming wise to the fact these puppets are all part of the theatre.