Off Topic General Election
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Kalman
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Simply spending money on something doesn’t make it better. The US has the highest healthcare expenditure in the world at just over 16% of its GDP and still no universal single-payer healthcare. The other notable examples of universal single-payer healthcare like the Nordic countries all spend a lower percent of their GDP on healthcare than we do.
More funding does not always equal better services. I don’t like agreeing with a grifter like Farage but a country of our size may have to transition to a public insurance system like France or a mixed insurance system like Germany.
More funding does not always equal better services. I don’t like agreeing with a grifter like Farage but a country of our size may have to transition to a public insurance system like France or a mixed insurance system like Germany.
Anyone who thinks just throwing more money at the NHS is going to fix it is off their rocker. It's fundamentally broke and needs a total rethink.
The NHS is just a huge inefficient monster, its not for for purpose in its current format for the population we have now that's living longer and unhealthy lifestyles. It needs a total re design, but as I said yesterday, no party will dare even talk about it let alone do anything about it.
France has a mixture. If our system was so superior you would think other countries would have copied it.
Why wouldn't they be? They're experts who've trained for years and years. It's like saying CEOs are well paid.
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The concept is good. Post-war it was created for all British people to be free at the point of use and funded by taxation. But with a larger population and like you said, higher life expectancy, it’s just not working. Staff are overworked, resources are stretched thin to breaking point, A&E is rammed (often with lumpenproles abusing staff), shortage of beds/rooms etc.
It continues to work in countries like Denmark and Norway because they have much smaller populations, higher taxes that the population are broadly supportive of and more of a homogenous high-trust society.
Our population size and demographic is closer to France and Germany, and their systems would probably work better here than the NHS in its current format. But it’s almost heretical for anybody to suggest that the NHS is no longer fit for service so we’ll just keep chucking money at it.
I don’t think it is well paid for what they do
Whatever the best theoretical healthcare system is, we have a public NHS and we've got it into a poor state. We can continue as we are with enormous waiting lists, people dying in corridors, nurses and junior doctors leaving in droves, or we could try to stem the tide and ultimately get back to where we were 15-20 years ago when waiting lists were much shorter and fewer people died unnecessarily as a result.
Using an ageing population is a poor excuse, as life expectancies have actually been going down, and in previous generations the quality of care has improved with the times as life expectancies have increased. It's only a relatively recent thing that healthcare has been getting worse and it doesn't particularly coincide with a population living longer at all.
Using an ageing population is a poor excuse, as life expectancies have actually been going down, and in previous generations the quality of care has improved with the times as life expectancies have increased. It's only a relatively recent thing that healthcare has been getting worse and it doesn't particularly coincide with a population living longer at all.
When you govern you can pick your fights with public sector pay claims, but pay our Junior Doctors a decent wage FFS, another own goal that should have been better managed. Just hope it doesn't swing too far the other way and Labour gets the blank cheque out for every f***er though.
but they will be in time….no body starts a career on high wages, you work your way up…as you progress your wage increases….same as banking, armed forces etc etc
My wife was a skint medical student when we met at uni, she was working the wards for nothing. Not a single penny !!
Junior doctors aren't trainees. It's the term for doctors who aren't consultants.
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