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Obadiah said:
Labour won more seats.

Conservatives lost seats.

Conservatives are the biggest party but don't have an overall majority. You may call that winning. I don't.
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I don't see how being in a worse position than she was yesterday is 'winning'. She could've sat tight for 3 years and been in a better place than she is today.
 
PLT said:
Doesn't that tell us that people vote Tory just because they vote Tory?

It's this status quo that needs to changed (and hopefully is changing). We need to be electing people based on their actions, not just voting for the party we were taught to vote for as a child and trying to justify it through a character assassination of the alternatives.
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I read quite an interesting article about why working class would vote Tory.

For years theorists bought into the 'duping' principle. Essentially that the powers that be dupe working class people by saying things like 'we'll protect you from terrorists' but now this is being discredited. This is one paragraph:

"Here's a more painful but ultimately constructive diagnosis, from the point of view of moral psychology: politics at the national level is more like religion than it is like shopping. It's more about a moral vision that unifies a nation and calls it to greatness than it is about self-interest or specific policies. In most countries, the right tends to see that more clearly than the left. In America the Republicans did the hard work of drafting their moral vision in the 1970s, and Ronald Reagan was their eloquent spokesman. Patriotism, social order, strong families, personal responsibility (not government safety nets) and free enterprise. Those are values, not government programmes."

I think thats key, because labour seem to really have captured an overarching value and ethos now as oppose to just a collection of policies.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2012/jun/05/why-working-class-people-vote-conservative
 
Walter Sobchak said:
The mortgage advisor spent more time sweating over the fact that my mobile phone bill had a spike of £4 one month. "What's this? What have you spent it on? What else has risen?"

I had to provide documentation about all my spending patterns for food, drink, utilities etc.
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Facking hell.

I didn't need to bother with any of that ****e. It probably helped that I'd had 4 months of wages paid into a new bank account which I hadn't even touched.
 
Tobes said:
It stops their austerity plans dead in their tracks, it makes a hard Brexit extremely difficult for them to push on with, I'd say it's a brilliant result for anyone but the Tories
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The Tories form a coalition, or reach an agreement with the DUP.

How's that stop their plans?

Labour will be back to infighting before long.
 
Won, lost, irrelevant really. Did the Government achieve what they set out to achieve? Certainly not.

The approach to both Brexit and austerity will now have to flex. I doubt that's seen as "winning" by the PM.
 
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originallambrettaman said:
That'll be it, they're all just idiots who didn't pay any attention to policies and just voted the way they always do.

Or maybe they all just hate foxes?

<doh>
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But as you've conceded, she didn't even have any policies. The Conservative argument was literally just "look how silly those other guys are" plus the usual media backhanders to try and brainwash a few. That was the best they could offer as a reason to vote for them. Of all the promises they could have made about the country, they decided to make absolutely none. Apart from to torture some foxes as you say, cos that'll really improve things.

Minority parties could promise absolutely anything and they wouldn't get in, because people just vote based on this daft loyalty. It's too partisan.
 
Obadiah said:
Labour won more seats.

Conservatives lost seats.

Conservatives are the biggest party but don't have an overall majority. You may call that winning. I don't.
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Remember when we were 4-0 down at Old Trafford and came back to 4-3?

One of the greatest city victories I've ever seen.
 
PLT said:
But as you've conceded, she didn't even have any policies. The Conservative argument was literally just "look how silly those other guys are" plus the usual media backhanders to try and brainwash a few. That was the best they could offer as a reason to vote for them. Of all the promises they could have made about the country, they decided to make absolutely none. Apart from to torture some foxes as you say, cos that'll really improve things.

Minority parties could promise absolutely anything and they wouldn't get in, because people just vote based on this daft loyalty. It's too partisan.
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I never said they had no policies, of course they had policies. :emoticon-0114-dull:
 
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