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So essentially you believe in money in your pocket over education, emergency services, armed forces etc

Great example for the kids.
Vote labour in, and the kids of those kids will be paying heavily for your decision to elect a professional protester into the role of PM so him and his clueless mates can try and play out a bonkers fantasy.

Nice one.
 
The big corporations will just find a way to increase their 'debt' to their off shore holding companies, they won't pay any more tax than they do currently. Stop thinking big businesses, that's not what it's about. It's about the little people, the honest companies that don't cheat, that struggle to compete with the cheaters. The people who offer proper jobs, proper career opportunities and proper wages. These are the companies it will target, it just hands a further advantage to the big evil corporations you seemingly have a problem with, and no doubt shop with due to their lower prices.

So how come a higher level of corporation tax works fine in Germany and the USA then? Surely all the small business should be ****ed. No more Christmas markets and bratwurst huts because they've all been driven away by the corporation tax right? Just massive companies there.
 
The big corporations will just find a way to increase their 'debt' to their off shore holding companies, they won't pay any more tax than they do currently. Stop thinking big businesses, that's not what it's about. It's about the little people, the honest companies that don't cheat, that struggle to compete with the cheaters. The people who offer proper jobs, proper career opportunities and proper wages. These are the companies it will target, it just hands a further advantage to the big evil corporations you seemingly have a problem with, and no doubt shop with due to their lower prices.
Corporation tax was 28% in 2010 and the business had been booming pre the World wide crash

Labour are saying they'll put it back up to 26% which is still less than all of the biggest economies in Europe.
 
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I've always voted Labour but can't bring myself to vote for them this time.

Dianne Abbott is as clueless and inept as you'll ever see in your life. The thought of her in the cabinet is laughable.

As for Jez? Voted against new anti terror legislation on 58 occasions and didn't agree with shoot to kill.

May is hardly better mind.

End of the day I'm not a socialist and will do what's best for me and my family, if Labour get in I'm financially thousands a year worse off so why would I vote for them?
 
What does that actually mean?

It's a classic soundbyte and it's exactly the bollocks the papers have been spinning ever since Corbyn came on the scene. They, and the Tories, want us to ignore the policies and try to get us to focus on this daft populariy contest. They talk about strength but it means nothing. May goes on about negotiating a Brexit deal but what does that mean? Is it really going to be just the PM in a room with the EU thrashing it out. No is it **** it'll be lawyers and all sorts, but they want us to swallow this idea that with Corbyn we'll just have a jolly old Geography teacher in there.

Theresa May regularly put down the opposition with apparent ease in parliament. In contrast Corbyn often got jeered out by his own party. He dropped the ball so many times. Far from being a sound bite, I haven't seen this observation reported anywhere, it's just an observation I've made myself.

The rest of your post is completely irrelevant, as is par for the course where you're concerned.
 
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The argument for lower corporation tax just doesn't make sense. Currently corporations pay very little and the big multi-nationals still don't want their HQs here. We're obviously not competing with the tax havens so what exactly is the benefit of it being at this level? Just raise it in line with all the other major economies and then we can afford to have a nice country.

Multinationals trading in Europe still need a European base, they may all make their main profits in offshore havens, but they still need a lot of people on the ground somewhere to manage their operations. Just as indication, here are some of the multinational companies who currently operate their European operations out of Ireland:

Amazon
Apple
Airbnb
Dell
Dropbox
eBay
Facebook
Google
Hewlitt-Packard
IBM
Linkedin
Logitech
Microsoft
PayPal
Twitter
Uber
Yahoo

We don't need to compete with tax havens to attract these companies, we just need to complete with Ireland.
 
You keep sniping at people who in favour of lower taxation, even specifically making a snide remark about me being against things because I'm a millionaire.

Ignoring the fact that the above wasn't true, I deeply resent the implication that people who are in favour of lower taxes are doing so purely for their own benefit and don't care about anyone else.

For the record, not one of the Labour proposals will make a blind bit of difference to my personal circumstances. He could make the minimum wage £20 an hour and Corporation Tax 90% and it wouldn't personally affect me at all.

My vote is based purely on what I think is best for the country.

If a Conservative voter was on here calling Labour voters feckless peasants who want something for nothing, I doubt you'd find it acceptable, I don't really understand why you think it's acceptable in reverse.

I keep sniping at it because I believe it to be fundamentally morally wrong and extremely bad for the people of this country.

Clearly, it largely benefits the wealthy and better earners – hence why I disagree with it.

I too am voting for the good of the country – it’s possible that financially, I’d be better off under the Tory govt.

But that said, I want a country for my kids to grow up in where food banks don’t exist. My kids will do alright, but I know 4 million others won’t.

THAT’s what motivates me. Selfish **** that I am.

And I called you a millionaire because in the past, either on here or CI, you’ve claimed to be one.
 
Theresa May regularly put down the opposition with apparent ease in parliament. In contrast Corbyn often got jeered out by his own party. He dropped the ball so many times. Far from being a sound bite, I haven't seen this observation reported anywhere, it's just an observation I've made myself.

The rest of your post is completely irrelevant, as is par for the course where you're concerned.

So what does it mean?

She makes the best sassy remarks in parliament and.... am I missing the part where this benefits the country?
 
Vote labour in, and the kids of those kids will be paying heavily for your decision to elect a professional protester into the role of PM so him and his clueless mates can try and play out a bonkers fantasy.

Nice one.

Vote Tory and you'll have no NHS in 5 years.

Nice one.
 
I've always voted Labour but can't bring myself to vote for them this time.

Dianne Abbott is as clueless and inept as you'll ever see in your life. The thought of her in the cabinet is laughable.

As for Jez? Voted against new anti terror legislation on 58 occasions and didn't agree with shoot to kill.

May is hardly better mind.

End of the day I'm not a socialist and will do what's best for me and my family, if Labour get in I'm financially thousands a year worse off so why would I vote for them?

Unless you live in Hackney or Islington North - you're not voting for Corby or Abbott.
 
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Multinationals trading in Europe still need a European base, they may all make their main profits in offshore havens, but they still need a lot of people on the ground somewhere to manage their operations. Just as indication, here are some of the multinational companies who currently operate their European operations out of Ireland:

Amazon
Apple
Airbnb
Dell
Dropbox
eBay
Facebook
Google
Hewlitt-Packard
IBM
Linkedin
Logitech
Microsoft
PayPal
Twitter
Uber
Yahoo

We don't need to compete with tax havens to attract these companies, we just need to complete with Ireland.

So the current rate clearly isn't working is it? They're all in Ireland anyway. Do you think we should cut it further to compete with them?
 
It's quite startling how things have changed in 4 decades.
I the 70s the unions held way to much sway and the public was a lot more supportive of strikes.
Fast forward 4 decades and the same strikes are looked upon largely with disdain by the public generally.
It just shows how the mindset can be changed.
 
So what does it mean?

She makes the best sassy remarks in parliament and.... am I missing the part where this benefits the country?

It means she shat on Corbyn in parliament. Can you not read?

I could maybe dig out some of my daughters old alphablocks and spell it out in a picture for you?
 
Sadly his pro IRA and anti British stance over decades is well documented, so precludes him from being worthy of public office.
He voted against the peace process and Anglo Irish Agreement in the 80s and 90s. He also attended pro IRA terrorist commemorations from 1986 and 1992. His appointed Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell opposed the Peace Process as late as 1998, and said 'thanks to the bravery of the IRA and people like Bobby Sands, we now have a peace process.'
That's the IRA who bombed, shot and beat to death 1,696 men, women and children, and who failed to unite Ireland.

David Davis said the Tory government has no objection to a united Ireland. All the IRA did was decide to wait until the North had a Catholic majority and vote for a united Ireland. Brexit may help them achieve that quicker.
 
It means she shat on Corbyn in parliament. Can you not read?

I could maybe dig out some of my daughters old alphablocks and spell it out in a picture for you?

So what's the benefit?

She wins the dance off and all her crew laugh at Corbyn and his mates. Then what? How does it benefit the country? Why is it a reason to vote for her party?
 
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I keep sniping at it because I believe it to be fundamentally morally wrong and extremely bad for the people of this country.

Clearly, it largely benefits the wealthy and better earners – hence why I disagree with it.

I too am voting for the good of the country – it’s possible that financially, I’d be better off under the Tory govt.

But that said, I want a country for my kids to grow up in where food banks don’t exist. My kids will do alright, but I know 4 million others won’t.

THAT’s what motivates me. Selfish **** that I am.

And I called you a millionaire because in the past, either on here or CI, you’ve claimed to be one.

I may have posted things that suggested I've done alright for myself, but I've never posted that I'm a millionaire anywhere. <doh>
 
Multinationals trading in Europe still need a European base, they may all make their main profits in offshore havens, but they still need a lot of people on the ground somewhere to manage their operations. Just as indication, here are some of the multinational companies who currently operate their European operations out of Ireland:

Amazon
Apple
Airbnb
Dell
Dropbox
eBay
Facebook
Google
Hewlitt-Packard
IBM
Linkedin
Logitech
Microsoft
PayPal
Twitter
Uber
Yahoo

We don't need to compete with tax havens to attract these companies, we just need to complete with Ireland.
Using Google as an example, they declared a turnover of over £20bn through their Irish registered company last year but paid only £47m in tax due to their convoluted tax avoidance structure. This is despite telling shareholders that they have £42bn in cash reserves.

If for one don't see the future of the UK as some form of bargain bucket tax haven economy for multi nationals.
 
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I've always voted Labour but can't bring myself to vote for them this time.

Dianne Abbott is as clueless and inept as you'll ever see in your life. The thought of her in the cabinet is laughable.

As for Jez? Voted against new anti terror legislation on 58 occasions and didn't agree with shoot to kill.

May is hardly better mind.

End of the day I'm not a socialist and will do what's best for me and my family, if Labour get in I'm financially thousands a year worse off so why would I vote for them?

It's an honest viewpoint.

I've spoken about this with other people - I stress not you - and they take very similar standpoints but then are vehemently anti Trump when he is doing precisely that for US citizens.

Weird innit?
 
So how come a higher level of corporation tax works fine in Germany and the USA then? Surely all the small business should be ****ed. No more Christmas markets and bratwurst huts because they've all been driven away by the corporation tax right? Just massive companies there.

Mainly because those countries have minuscule business rates compared to our mammoth ones which cost companies 5x the amount. That's another thing labour want to charge more to businesses. Our companies already pay more into the state than they do in the countries you mentioned.
 
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