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PLT said:
It's all fully costed though so what's the problem? Why would people be against ideas like NHS staff getting a reasonable wage when it's absolutely affordable. When it suits the establishment there's millions and billions lying around to spend on their mates. Were fed this crap that we need to keep corporation tax low or the corporations will all **** off but where are they gonna go? Most other major countries have higher corporation tax than us and even they don't seem to have an issue attracting and keeping business.

It just seems like people are fed this message that we can't have nice things because it isn't possible, but there's plenty of wealth in this country. There's loads of money sloshing about but it's all in the back pockets of a handful of dodgy ****ers.
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It's not fully costed, it's an overly simplistic multiplication which ignores multiple crucial factors. The totally independent, unbiased IFS report will give you the truth of those 'costings'.

Corporation tax won't hurt the corporations who conveniently have off shore holding companies to which they all owe gigantic 'debts'. It will seriously hurt small businesses attempting to compete with the big corporate tax dodgers, and the 6% rise in tax will be passed straight onto customers and employees by both, hurting us all.
 
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PLT said:
I don't want to go on but why is it a magic money tree other than that being the Tory soundbyte? The costings are all there. It's entirely affordable.
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Like the last time Labour were in......after four years a note with "Sorry there is no money left".....its a question of trust. A lot of it is also based no impact of a huge increase in corporation tax that could potentially stop companies investing, coupled with a rise in the living wage to £10 an hour. Business would take too big a hit too quickly, and I doubt the tax rake they want would be achievable.
 
Dr.Stanley O'Google said:
I think they were all talking to Sinn Fein; the IRA were a secret force, like INLA, UDF, UDA, etc.

David Ervine was an ex-UDA hard-liner, but in order to get to a settlement, all sides had to be talked to.
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Sinn Fein were just the mouth piece of the IRA. By talking to them the Tories knew they were talking to the IRA and guess what talking succeeded where years of violence failed.
 
SimonGraysJacket said:
I know its never going to happen, but one day some party needs to have the balls to come out and say, right income tax for people earning over £25K is going up 3%. 1% will go to NHS, 1% to the police/border force, 1% to build more prisons. I and many I know would vote for this. Sadly, the politicians are too busy with their snouts in the trough to risk being out of a job.
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£25,000 is a good wage for Hull, but for those of us living in the south east or London its pretty poor. That's the trouble with national pay rates, the cost of living geographically can be quite stark.
 
KentTiger said:
£25,000 is a good wage for Hull, but for those of us living in the south east or London its pretty poor. That's the trouble with national pay rates, the cost of living geographically can be quite stark.
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It was more the idea of people under the higher rate of income tax paying an extra 3% than they do now. Where that "middle" threshold between standard and higher tax rate should sit of course is open to debate. Just my feeling that if people want better funded services they are going to have to pay for them, and there is a relatively well off group of people under the higher rate of tax that could afford to pay more.
 
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Party Hull! said:
http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...publican-movement-towards-peace-35382254.html

McGuinness got fairly glowing obituaries more or less across the board from politicians, I bet very few were keen but knew the stakes.

It's called diplomacy.
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Yeah fair comment..The govt were talking.... Corbyn was praising...There is a distinct difference.
Corbyn got mauled by the bloke the other night..We're getting thumped by a foreign power, Corbyn won't retaliate. He wants to talk, while the rest of us are getting blown away...He's even against shot to kill...at a time when there is virtually a war on our streets.
How anyone would even consider him for PM is behond me, but there you go....Each to their own...
 
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SimonGraysJacket said:
Like the last time Labour were in......after four years a note with "Sorry there is no money left".....its a question of trust. A lot of it is also based no impact of a huge increase in corporation tax that could potentially stop companies investing, coupled with a rise in the living wage to £10 an hour. Business would take too big a hit too quickly, and I doubt the tax rake they want would be achievable.
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Regardless of policy and ideology, the current Labour front bench are incompetent, inexperienced and untrustworthy. Diane Abbott is one obvious example, but the rest are not much better.

Corbyn spent his political life in the comfort of the backbenches, voting against his own party, showing himself to be unhelpful, disloyal and obstructive. How useful will someone like that be in trying to run a country?
He appeals in the main to the young , trying to buy their votes through promises about tuition fees.
A race to the bottom, with bigger and bigger bribes to the untapped voting market of young people.
 
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Duffens_Briefs said:
Yeah fair comment..The govt were talking.... Corbyn was praising...There is a distinct difference.
Corbyn got mauled by the bloke the other night..We're getting thumped by a foreign power, Corbyn won't retaliate. He wants to talk, while the rest of us are getting blown away...He's even against shot to kill...at a time when there is virtually a war on our streets.
How any would even consider him for PM is behond me, but there you go....Each to their own...
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I think many people saw it very differently to that.
 
SimonGraysJacket said:
Like the last time Labour were in......after four years a note with "Sorry there is no money left".....its a question of trust. A lot of it is also based no impact of a huge increase in corporation tax that could potentially stop companies investing, coupled with a rise in the living wage to £10 an hour. Business would take too big a hit too quickly, and I doubt the tax rake they want would be achievable.
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The living wage (the actual one) is calculated based on the cost of actually living a reasonable safe life. How can anyone be against people earning that? It's literally just an anti-poverty measure.
 
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City Man said:
We'll soon be seeing the Argentine flag over the Falklands. Despite 99.8% of islanders wanting to remain British, Corbers wants joint sovereignty.
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Joint sovereignty was discussed for years prior to the Falklands war but always stalled.
It might not be a bad thing if handled properly.
 
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