I agree that there will be recriminations within the Labour Party for some time as to exactly who, or what, is to blame - what comes out of those is uncertain as yet. We know that there will be a new leadership challenge, but Labour now has to start preparing its stance post Brexit. From now on everything which goes wrong with Brexit will only be laid at the Tories door - it is now their thing exclusively. It may have slipped under your radar but the most successfull party of the night was the SNP with 45% of the votes cast in Scotland. The next step is to gain a total majority in the Scottish elections and then the picture is complete - the Tories may well go down as the party which lost Great Britain as an entity - in the hope that Scotland can extricate itself from the shallow hole which Britain has become.
General Election 2019
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yorkshirehornet
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Listening to northern Labour voters who voted Tory this time. The main themes:
Brexit, virtually all every interviewee
Corbyn as a leader, Corbyn the Marxist.
Brexit, virtually all every interviewee
Corbyn as a leader, Corbyn the Marxist.
Recent polls on Scottish independence showed much less support for leaving. Scotland is hooked on the financial lifeline from London.
I can however see NI leaving the UK within 20 years. I will honour their democratic vote to leave.
Yes - 'Corbyn the Marxist' - parroted by people who have little idea who Marx was, or what his agenda was - and labelled at someone who, by his own admission, never got past page one of reading Marx. But the Mail says it is so.
“Can you think of anybody who stuck up for the bankers as much as I did? I defended them day in, day out, from those who frankly wanted to hang them from the nearest lamppost.”
This is the man who will stick up for the little people, the poor and disabled, our PM for the next 5 years.
Woohoo.
This is the man who will stick up for the little people, the poor and disabled, our PM for the next 5 years.
Woohoo.
The Tories thumping victory is not enough, the country needs Momentum to keep its stranglehold on the Labour Party. Will the Foot and Corbyn electoral annihilations be quickly erased or blamed on the weather / stars in the wrong orbit?.
The real reasons behind this result are several. Corbyn cocked things up big time by trying to sit on the fence. While you have a simple slogan from the Tories designed to appeal to the simple minded, anything other than an equally clear message will get lost in the tabloid papers. The press barons ran a vicious campaign against all parties other than the Tories, not surprising when you look at their financial interests. Both remain and leave voters had become totally fed up with the word Brexit, and were led to believe that if they voted for Johnson it could disappear from the talk and the world would change. The very fact that he kept saying he had a deal, which he doesn't simply shows how little people realise what is to come next. But probably the largest influence was people in the north who have some of the poorest regions in the whole of Europe wanting a better life. That were prepared to forget for one day that it was this government that had reduced their living standards to the current level.
What next? Johnson has already said that the Tory party will have to change so as to represent the north of England. This doesn't bode well for some of the richer members in the leafy suburbs. No one has much idea of where this will take us as his whole record has been built on saying what is expedient rather than having firm ideas and beliefs. This is what makes the situation rather funny with his supporters believing what they want to believe he stands for, but I suspect that if you asked him today what his core belief was, he wouldn't know.
What next? Johnson has already said that the Tory party will have to change so as to represent the north of England. This doesn't bode well for some of the richer members in the leafy suburbs. No one has much idea of where this will take us as his whole record has been built on saying what is expedient rather than having firm ideas and beliefs. This is what makes the situation rather funny with his supporters believing what they want to believe he stands for, but I suspect that if you asked him today what his core belief was, he wouldn't know.
The simple minded ones were those MPs, Gina Miller, and desperate remoaners who thought the leave voting public would let them get away with sabotaging the referendum result. I would also add the pigmy Bercow to this infamous list who ensured a spectacular victory for the Conservatives. The long awaited LibDem / new centre party did not turn up. The 'revoke' policy annoyed everybody. At least the old minibus is still large enough to hold all the LibDem MPs.
The public clearly did not trust Labour and certainly did not believe the bucket load of expensive bribes. The anti semitism was costly for Labour as well as the thought of going back to previous decades of industrial strife. There will now be an almighty battle for the soul of the Labour Party, perhaps the moderates will find some backbone to take on the Marxist infiltrators.
I'm sure Boris Johnson will plant himself firmly in the centre right position to fulfil his one nation vision. I also accept he may well take advantage of not relying on the ERG group. He is certainly a pragmatic politician but hopefully with enough balls to stand up to the bully boys in the EU.
I have been advocating for years for the Conservatives to broaden its appeal to all those that want to strive, regardless of background or location. This is the ideal opportunity to achieve this.
Those that have erroneously been predicting the demise of the main two parties in the UK have again been proved wrong. Although Labour had its worst result since the 1930's it still managed to combine with the Tories on 77% of the vote. Apart from Momentum's antics it shows the UK has very moderate and centrist politics, a far cry from those neighbours with extremes on the near continent.
Johnson without the restraints of the ERG will be desperate to get an agreement with the EU. Already we have seen leaders of individual countries saying that they are pleased to have things move on, and they have talked about a very small deal leaving out many of the security issues that the UK currently relies on. The withdrawal agreement is basically the one that May negotiated, but the big difference is that he was prepared to shaft the people that she needed to keep her in power. When a deal is struck in a few years time, and the country has to have one now that WTO is out of existence, it will be to the advantage of the EU, not the UK.
You are desperately clinging to the last straws of negativity. You have been wrong all along, I do not expect that to change.
As I said earlier Brexit is now an exclusively Tory thing - they have taken over the agenda and will be judged by Brexit. The hard work now starts - in order to get a deal by the end of 2020 they will have to give way to all the demands of the EU. String it along for longer than that and the disillusion of the Brexiteers will grow and grow - whatever slant you care to put on it Britain remains bound by EU laws for the foreseeable future. Unless, of course, you opt for a hard Brexit and all the uncertainty which such a course implies. There is also the challenge of trying to hold Britain together - can you maintain any pretence at democracy whilst trying to deny Scotland their wish for independence against their will ? There are no longer any scapegoats - the Tories will rise or fall in accordance with the ebb and flow of Brexit when/if it happens.
yorkshirehornet
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All the posts of SH are of the I am right you are wrong nature.. And then abuse of every one he doesn't like, bully boys, pigmies, Marxists etc..
Awful rhetoric...
I must say as soon as we close this thread the better..
Awful rhetoric...
I must say as soon as we close this thread the better..
I'm sure if Labour had won or there had been a hung parliament the clique would have been flying. You need to debate properly and discover why you are so out of step with the country.
yorkshirehornet
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You do not debate.
I have consistently asked you to discuss policies as have a number on here .. And you consistently fail to do that.
Your abuse of all that you disagree with, without any prior provocation, would be unacceptable in any debating chamber..
Your prejudices are clear.
I am prejudiced against far left wing politicians who would damage the UK economy, thankfully the country agrees.
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