General Election 2019

[superhorns]

On the city’s streets there is not only a deep dislike of Brexit, but also a profound distrust of the prime minister, Boris Johnson, even among people who have voted Tory in the past. Kevin Hayter, who co-owns a local construction company, voted Tory in 2010 and 2015 when David Cameron was leader, but said he would never do so again because the party had changed utterly.
“They are now a tawdry, deceitful lot who kicked out all the decent one-nation Tories and I can’t vote for them. "
A few yards along the high street, Ian McCoy, a chartered surveyor, said the Tories had headed off to the “far right”. He believed they would be rejected by the people of Winchester. “Winchester is full of a lot of very reasonable, sensible people who don’t like that kind of politics,” he said. Asked about Johnson, he shook his head and said he was “just a buffoon”.

The Tories are seriously worried that seats like Winchester are now marginal seats despite a 10,000 majority. Lose seats like these, a likely wipeout in Scotland, and to go from a minority to a majority government would be very difficult. In fact it could depend on Corbyn imploding at a time the opposite is more likely. With both Labour and LibDems having plenty of door knockers despite the time of year, will the more elderly Tory party members be prepared to get out and about. Last time when asked SH said he didn't go in for that sort of thing.

You could equally quote several Tory voters who would say Boris Johnson was wonderful and they were thankful the wreckers had left the party. Surely we can rise above these selective quotes, they mean nothing. Boris Johnson is far more popular than any other politician at the moment. The other leaders of political parties are well behind Bojo.

 

[superhorns]

You could equally quote several Tory voters who would say Boris Johnson was wonderful and they were thankful the wreckers had left the party. Surely we can rise above these selective quotes, they mean nothing. Boris Johnson is far more popular than any other politician at the moment. The other leaders of political parties are well behind Bojo.

At least the 'man in the bread queue is no longer quoted'

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

You could equally quote several Tory voters who would say Boris Johnson was wonderful and they were thankful the wreckers had left the party. Surely we can rise above these selective quotes, they mean nothing. Boris Johnson is far more popular than any other politician at the moment. The other leaders of political parties are well behind Bojo.

You can find lots of comments about both Tory and Labour parties leaving their moderate principles behind. Yesterday you talked about Labour having a successful period under Blair, and while many left wing Labour members didn't like his middle path, calling it Tory-lite, it showed that middle of the road politics is what the voters will support. My comments and quotes were not about Johnson so much as showing how the political map could be redrawn. Lose the middle ground towns and cities and you could finish with an even more broken parliament than the current one.

 

[superhorns]

You can find lots of comments about both Tory and Labour parties leaving their moderate principles behind. Yesterday you talked about Labour having a successful period under Blair, and while many left wing Labour members didn't like his middle path, calling it Tory-lite, it showed that middle of the road politics is what the voters will support. My comments and quotes were not about Johnson so much as showing how the political map could be redrawn. Lose the middle ground towns and cities and you could finish with an even more broken parliament than the current one.

I have no doubt Johnson will position the Tories in the middle ground as did May and Cameron. Arguing for self determination, i.e. Brexit, does not mean right of centre. You could not argue the SNP are right-wingers. There is a serious problem in Labour over extremism, not so the Tories. I doubt the political map of England, which is nearly always blue, will change this election.

 

[colognehornet]

I have no doubt Johnson will position the Tories in the middle ground as did May and Cameron. Arguing for self determination, i.e. Brexit, does not mean right of centre. You could not argue the SNP are right-wingers. There is a serious problem in Labour over extremism, not so the Tories. I doubt the political map of England, which is nearly always blue, will change this election.

Brexit alone is neither right wing or left wing but what follows it will establish it as being the former. More or less all the leading Brexiteers come from the hard right, neo liberalistic, free market loving opportunists who would love to deregulate Britain to open it's doors for the World's predatory capital to flood in - together with chlorinated chickens and every other American product which fails EU environmental regulations. Brexit is all about this - it is not about the interests of the workers - when have the likes of Bojo, Rees Mogg, or Farage interested themselves in the welfare of the working classes apart from wanting their votes for a short interim period until Brexit is achieved. Both a right wing and a left wing Brexit are possible but it is the former which is being offered.

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

As i said , we are doing this in my constituency..... sadly I dont expect Labout to embrace this possibility.

The Electoral Reform Society poll shows that 24% of voters are prepared to hold their noses and vote tactically. A similar poll before the 2017 election showed a figure of 20%, so the movement is growing. These figures represent 8 million voters who are prepared to change from normal patterns, making predictions even harder.

 

[superhorns]

Brexit alone is neither right wing or left wing but what follows it will establish it as being the former. More or less all the leading Brexiteers come from the hard right, neo liberalistic, free market loving opportunists who would love to deregulate Britain to open it's doors for the World's predatory capital to flood in - together with chlorinated chickens and every other American product which fails EU environmental regulations. Brexit is all about this - it is not about the interests of the workers - when have the likes of Bojo, Rees Mogg, or Farage interested themselves in the welfare of the working classes apart from wanting their votes for a short interim period until Brexit is achieved. Both a right wing and a left wing Brexit are possible but it is the former which is being offered.

Not at all. Brexiteers do prefer free trade markets which raise the living standards for all. Most countries in the world have the basic right to their own fiscal, environmental and rules. There is no suggestion that any present rights will be reduced, this is a red herring parroted by desperate remainers. What is certain the so called 'working class' currently have no confidence in socialist Labour.

Ignorance in the mechanics of enterprise and trading should not automatically produce a negative and suspicious response. Wealthy or successful people should not automatically be treated likewise, life is not that simple.

 

[superhorns]

The Electoral Reform Society poll shows that 24% of voters are prepared to hold their noses and vote tactically. A similar poll before the 2017 election showed a figure of 20%, so the movement is growing. These figures represent 8 million voters who are prepared to change from normal patterns, making predictions even harder.

There must be a lot of Brexit Labour voters switching to the Tories or BP.

 

[superhorns]

Brexit alone is neither right wing or left wing but what follows it will establish it as being the former. More or less all the leading Brexiteers come from the hard right, neo liberalistic, free market loving opportunists who would love to deregulate Britain to open it's doors for the World's predatory capital to flood in - together with chlorinated chickens and every other American product which fails EU environmental regulations. Brexit is all about this - it is not about the interests of the workers - when have the likes of Bojo, Rees Mogg, or Farage interested themselves in the welfare of the working classes apart from wanting their votes for a short interim period until Brexit is achieved. Both a right wing and a left wing Brexit are possible but it is the former which is being offered.

One current right which hopefully will be taken away is the lax attitude towards travellers illegally trespassing and leaving behind mountains of rubbish. Priti Patel has promise to give the police more powers and make it a criminal offence to occupy land with intention to set up home, as in Ireland.

 

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[yorkshirehornet]

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... And that sums it up so well

 

[Hornet-Fez]

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2...d-to-issue-correction-to-boris-johnson-column

I see de pfeffel has been caught out.... again. Third time this year, is it? First time is one time too many. A disgrace to the office he holds.

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

We have seen since before the 2017 election people that parties and voters are becoming more aware of tactical voting. It is hard to show across so many constituencies in a general election what effect it has, but in byelections it has been easy to see that it does work. Today we see that the toxic loyalist/nationalist mix has broken down in Northern Ireland, with Sinn Fein not contesting three seats so that pro-remain candidates will have a clear run. It is almost unthinkable that Sinn Fein would support a pro-remain Unionist, but that is happening In Wales talks are currently underway to repeat the result earlier year in Brecon and Radnorshire by forming alliances

When you see an 8000 Tory majority disappear it becomes clear that many seats held on both sides of the Commons are likely to change if the parties do agree to stand aside. The real problem for the Tories is that they have no natural allies to form pacts with, and if Farage carries out his threat to stand all over the country, the leave vote is likely to be split more. Brecon voted 52%-48% to leave in the referendum, but despite having a large population of over 65 year olds this counted for nothing as they returned a remainer in the byelection.

 

[colognehornet]

Why has Boris Johnson delayed the publication of a report on Russian interference in the Brexit referendum until after the election ? Why is this not on the front pages of every newspaper in the UK ? Possibly they would rather report that Corbyn made the cardinal sin of puuting his green bin out instead of his brown one ! Also rather puzzled about the currant state of our poll on here Which either disproves SH's idea of a left wing clique on here - or he's been inviting his mates to come in and vote on it

 

[superhorns]

Why has Boris Johnson delayed the publication of a report on Russian interference in the Brexit referendum until after the election ? Why is this not on the front pages of every newspaper in the UK ? Possibly they would rather report that Corbyn made the cardinal sin of puuting his green bin out instead of his brown one ! Also rather puzzled about the currant state of our poll on here Which either disproves SH's idea of a left wing clique on here - or he's been inviting his mates to come in and vote on it

Thanks Jacob for finding time in your busy schedule.

 

[superhorns]

Why has Boris Johnson delayed the publication of a report on Russian interference in the Brexit referendum until after the election ? Why is this not on the front pages of every newspaper in the UK ? Possibly they would rather report that Corbyn made the cardinal sin of puuting his green bin out instead of his brown one ! Also rather puzzled about the currant state of our poll on here Which either disproves SH's idea of a left wing clique on here - or he's been inviting his mates to come in and vote on it

By the poll it appears we possess a lot more common sense amongst us than would appear in the posts. I would also question why other Tories feel the need to keep their heads well below the parapet?

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

Why has Boris Johnson delayed the publication of a report on Russian interference in the Brexit referendum until after the election ? Why is this not on the front pages of every newspaper in the UK ? Possibly they would rather report that Corbyn made the cardinal sin of puuting his green bin out instead of his brown one ! Also rather puzzled about the currant state of our poll on here Which either disproves SH's idea of a left wing clique on here - or he's been inviting his mates to come in and vote on it

By delaying this report people will think rightly or wrongly there must be something to hide. Of course it has the press doing their own digging and coming up with names like Sergey Nalobin, who described Johnson "as our good friend". The Conservative Friends of Russia group was active is raising funds for the Tory party, and you should ask what was the price of this 'friendship'. Strangely enough this group collapsed after it became obvious that Nalobin was working for the Russian intelligence forces. Just what was the PM's chief advisor doing in his three years working in Russia? No one seems as yet to be able to say, and Cummings is trying to keep it under wraps. To have someone at the heart of government, someone who the government refuse to say what security clearance he has, should be troubling.

 

[Hornet-Fez]

Why has Boris Johnson delayed the publication of a report on Russian interference in the Brexit referendum until after the election ? Why is this not on the front pages of every newspaper in the UK ? Possibly they would rather report that Corbyn made the cardinal sin of puuting his green bin out instead of his brown one ! Also rather puzzled about the currant state of our poll on here Which either disproves SH's idea of a left wing clique on here - or he's been inviting his mates to come in and vote on it

tRumptard playbook... doubtless he's had a chat with nazi Dave about his strategy.
murdoch, rothermere, barclay bros.... it's not in THEIR interests to report on this.
Yes they would sooner shop corbyn over his bins.
As to the poll: there's been quite a few "drive-by's" on the political threads so I dare say one or two have returned to have their say. SH, WY, Scullion, Canary Dave have all voiced pro leave opinions so, and this is just logical guesswork here, "democracy" (sic) and all that.
There are quite a few brexiters here too that don't partake in debate because they know that they get short thrift from actual facts and figures rather than emotive responses. I've not voted in the poll so far as I can remember (ABs, paracetamol and zombiefied sinuses are my excuse for poor recent memory) but I will vote tactically this time and it will depend on whose name is missing, or otherwise, from the ballot paper.
Alas Swinson does not look to be getting my vote, she appears to be in the wrong party and their lunch to the right is unpalatable. I will have to hold my nose. I won't be selling my soul, though.

 

[Hornet-Fez]

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In the meantime....

 

[colognehornet]

tRumptard playbook... doubtless he's had a chat with nazi Dave about his strategy.
murdoch, rothermere, barclay bros.... it's not in THEIR interests to report on this.
Yes they would sooner shop corbyn over his bins.
As to the poll: there's been quite a few "drive-by's" on the political threads so I dare say one or two have returned to have their say. SH, WY, Scullion, Canary Dave have all voiced pro leave opinions so, and this is just logical guesswork here, "democracy" (sic) and all that.
There are quite a few brexiters here too that don't partake in debate because they know that they get short thrift from actual facts and figures rather than emotive responses. I've not voted in the poll so far as I can remember (ABs, paracetamol and zombiefied sinuses are my excuse for poor recent memory) but I will vote tactically this time and it will depend on whose name is missing, or otherwise, from the ballot paper.
Alas Swinson does not look to be getting my vote, she appears to be in the wrong party and their lunch to the right is unpalatable. I will have to hold my nose. I won't be selling my soul, though.

It would be rather said if people's choice for the next government come down to their respective positions on Brexit Fez. The British people deserve more than just a one theme election. I could see some sort of future for Britain both inside, and outside, of the EU. so the question is which party should have the decisive say on that future ? There are millions of people in the UK who will be voting for either their second or their third choice at this election - voting against something rather than what they actually want - the only loser in that scenario is democracy itself. My first choice, based on policies, would be the Green Party, followed by Labour and then the Lib Dems. I could well consider a Lib Dem vote in the right constituency because I want to see PR. in the UK and Labour does not have this on their agenda. As for our poll there are many 'travellers' on these boards - people who use several boards - and so there is no guarantee that the 7 Tories belong to us.