thats our only hope as it gonna be hell when they get taken over and we stuck in league one for years with Donald
But he hasn't bought us. Look I'm happy to say you do it in good faith, I don't want you to take any of it personally, but that text was clearly not factually correct no matter who sent it or showed you it. That's no reflection on you, but maybe it's time to let that it go and accept it's probably not been as it seemed at the time?
The WhatsApp message was from Fuhrman telling a close friend he was 'the new owner of Sunderland'. Why would I let it go, that's a clear intention. Whatever has subsequently happened he obviously believed he'd bought the club. That might suggest he'd shaken on the deal and something then changed. Whatever the case he's still around and has put money into the club. He's done more to suggest he wants to buy the club than that he doesn't ... ... you seem to be hoping that's not the case, perhaps you should let it go.
I don't hope that at all. I would like FPP to own us and I'm happy that they did that deal because it is what they wanted and could one day lead to them investing properly in us. I believe that because if it wasn't, they wouldn't have done it and would have walked away. But there is a world of difference between that and saying that Donald did wrong by not accepting an offer that we don't even know for sure was made. That's what I'm saying, that your text there, whether intentional or not, was not correct. If it had gone down as you say and he genuinely had messed them around, they'd have walked away. Donald needed them more than they needed Donald. All the people who've apparently walked away from bids for the club, and we're supposed to believe the ones who were unhappy with Donald but still did a half way house deal were also the richest, most experienced businessmen to ever look at us. I'm not buying it because it is completely illogical. If it wasn't for the text, neither would you. They did the deal they wanted, on their terms.
What you're doing is is trying to represent my information as speculation and your speculation as information ... ... that may work in your head but you don't seem to ever convince anyone but yourself. Your posts often have great length but rarely much depth. I'm not basing my opinion solely on the strength of one text, which you wish to reduce it to ... ... I've posted much more than that, as have other people like @ISOE II , and don't feel the need to keep repeating it. Youre happy with all your ifs, buts and guesswork so I'll leave you with it.
No, I'm saying your information was fundamentally inaccurate. A number of times when its boiled down to it, you've referred to the text as the primary reason you think they were interested in a full scale takeover. I've also noticed that you tend to try and make this out as a binary 'if you don't believe FPP wanted to buy us, you don't want them here and therefore you're not a true fan' thing as you did last night with me. I just disagree with how you have stuck to this mantra revolving around the text that was proven incorrect, the due diligence and address at the SOL that could also be used to do a convertible loan, and this network of journalists who haven't yet come up with anything meaningful on FPP. And then again, I see you stoking the fire about Donald messing about with FPP, as if they had the goalposts changed and then came back cap in hand to do a half measure on Donald's terms. The whole concept is ludicrous. Ultimately they did what they wanted to do, and we don't have anything definitive to say they ever wanted to do anything different. That's why I think it's harsh on Donald (and I'm a big critic of how he has run us) to make out that his incompetence cost us this deal, when in fact the only way these guys would invest is on their own terms.
I haven't, it's you that's repeatedly done that and ignored everything else I've posted. I've no intention of wasting time going through it all again because you'll ignore it all again and post endless words from your own rigid agenda. Just as a litmus test just try answering this question without veering off into speculation about what I'm actually thinking or what FPP is actually thinking. Why did Donald introduce 'the new owners' to the club manager and say he hoped they'd keep him on?
my simplistic take on it is this, FPP wanted a championship club to take into the premiership, and that's what SD promised them. He failed to deliver on it after the disaster at Wembley, so FPP put down a ( 10m) deposit on the club, and told Stewie to give them a call when they were back in the championship, and they'd be back to complete the deal. I also think they will have put a time limit on the 'deposit', and if we're not in championship by that time, they either get their deposit back and walk away, or if he can't pay they take the club.
Fair points mate. Whatever the case FPP have deliberately put themselves in a position whereby they can wake up, on any morning, to find they own the club. If they have no interest in owning the club they wouldn't include that caveat just to give Donald a short term low interest loan imo.
Because he got carried away and tried to simplify something far more complex. It wasn't an 'on the record' type of comment where it was thought through, it was off the cuff at a talk in as I recall?
So you believe Donald just bumped into Ross and blurted it out and that he referred to the new owners in a statement by accident... ... well, that's certainly a theory.
Yes it is. And as usual, I'm answering your questions while you studiously fail to answer the only one that matters to me: Why do you believe that the americans came back and did this deal if they were unhappy with Donald's actions and thought he had the price wrong?
Tin hat on and all that but there's been 1 thing that's kinda bugged me and I could be putting 2 and 2 together and getting a million but if @Smug saw this text (and I'm not saying it's untrue) saying that Fuhrman had bought the club rather than the 3 members of FFP, was this the reason he left MSD - he was aware that MSD still wanted to be involved in football with another club other than Sunderland but he was still interested in buying it and found out that he couldn't be involved in more than 1 club.
We can argue until we are blue in the face about the why’s and wherefore’s of any potential deal but one thing is for sure, all Safc fans desperately need some positive news. I’m not concerned about what’s happening up the road I just want a few straws of hope to clutch onto!!!
I've answered it dozens of times. It's because they believe they can own the club under their terms and they're happy to tie Donald up in knots ... ... not that he needs much help. They're not the kind of people to go off in a sulk because the initial discussions didn't go as planned. If that happened regularly no one, in business, would ever conclude a deal. Staveley has been severely knocked back, and publicly insulted, yet is still there ... ... just as FPP are except they've already put money in.
We're a big club with a modern stadium and fantastic support ... ... and worth a decent owner who can organise it and make progress. I live in hope.
To be fair he did say he'd bought it. However, when I saw the other two appear, I just assumed he'd just said 'I' because he was telling a close friend who's not involved with the other two. Looking back he may well have been referring entirely to himself with the other two as backers/investors rather than owners. We'll just have to wait and see.
