Ex-Manager Thread

[Tobes]

I've asked people to remain civil on this thread for your sake. That includes discipline on your part, so let's have no more of the son, pal, and any other patronising references you might like to think are fine. You're a guest here. OK laddie.?

Wasn't meant that way, scouseisms lad

 

[SAINTDON13]

Wasn't meant that way, scouseisms lad

That's OK then mush!

 

[saintsfcfan]

Who was crying? I took it in the chin at the time, not arsed in the slightest, but given I was right and got stoned for it, it flies in the face of what you were saying and also proves that I did have correct information at the time.

I will concede that you were right at the time but it does now appear that we have the other half of the story that he was using you as a bargaining chip. its been accepted that Koeman is going most likely, an that shows an acceptance of your side of the debate but you seem unable to look at the other side of the story.

 

[Tobes]

I will concede that you were right at the time but it does now appear that we have the other half of the story that he was using you as a bargaining chip. its been accepted that Koeman is going most likely, an that shows an acceptance of your side of the debate but you seem unable to look at the other side of the story.

Not so. I've not countered the fact that Koeman attempted to get a better deal from Soton off the back of our interest, it's just how it works. If you'd have paid him the same sort of money would he have stayed? Almost certainly yes imo. But you didn't and he chose to leave, it's the inference that he's somehow gutted by the outcome and the blarney about his assistants that I've called bollocks.

 

[fran-MLs little camera]

It does make a lot more sense. Every Saints fan I have spoken to has been stunned, firstly because Koeman broke his oft-quoted promise and secondly because it was Everton. Not trying to be rude or offend a fan of another club, but it is the truth...everyone (bar none) could not understand him going to Everton....could scarcely be more surprised if he'd gone to Bournemouth. We all thought we'd lose him to Barcelona, Arsenal, Chelsea etc. It sounds like he tried to use Everton as a bargaining chip and it probably escalated into a row.

 

[SAINTDON13]

The Law of Agency is very specific. If you have an agent he represents you and discussions and agreements made by him/her it is the same as speaking to the actual person. So if Everton discussed the potential role without clearing with Saints then it is tapping up. A simple law

So is that why RonKo sacked his first agent? Maybe he thought he could be found culpable ?

Not so. I've not countered the fact that Koeman attempted to get a better deal from Soton off the back of our interest, it's just how it works. If you'd have paid him the same sort of money would he have stayed? Almost certainly yes imo. But you didn't and he chose to leave, it's the inference that he's somehow gutted by the outcome and the blarney about his assistants that I've called bollocks.

Hang on why are you asking us, we know nothing, I thought it was you that had all the answers, are you doubting your own judgement now?

 

[TheSecondStain]

Wasn't meant that way, scouseisms lad

Ok. Just try not to type them. Remember that we're southern farmers, sailors and dockers, and we might misunderstand.

 

[St. Luigi Scrosoppi]

I have just been speaking to my ITK mate in Liverpool who is an Everton supporter and he tells me that everyone of any note in Liverpool is saying that Bill Kenwright is furious about the mess that Moshiri has caused over Koeman. Not only has Everton been made to look very foolish and inept in their handling of the matter but they have become a laughing stock in the media. Now they look as if they are going to end up with egg on their face and be in disgrace for being the cause of a decent man losing his job and his reputation for integrity and they still wont have a manager. You couldn't make it up.

 

[saintsfcfan]

Not so. I've not countered the fact that Koeman attempted to get a better deal from Soton off the back of our interest, it's just how it works. If you'd have paid him the same sort of money would he have stayed? Almost certainly yes imo. But you didn't and he chose to leave, it's the inference that he's somehow gutted by the outcome and the blarney about his assistants that I've called bollocks.

Anyone would be gutted about going from us to Everton.
In all seriousness I don't have another source to back up about the assistants, but I did speak to one on the train (before any of this started) and he seemed very very settled and happy here. Obviously what goes on in his mind about this is not mine to know. It's the fact that all this has been backed up, as I have said previously many times.

 

[Tobes]

I have just been speaking to my ITK mate in Liverpool who is an Everton supporter and he tells me that everyone of any note in Liverpool is saying that Bill Kenwright is furious about the mess that Moshiri has caused over Koeman. Not only has Everton been made to look very foolish and inept in their handling of the matter but they have become a laughing stock in the media. Now they look as if they are going to end up with egg on their face and be in disgrace for being the cause of a decent man losing his job and his reputation for integrity and they still wont have a manager. You couldn't make it up.

Cool story bro

 

[St. Luigi Scrosoppi]

Cool story bro

...and about as authentic as some of the stories you've been telling. (you took the bait nicely)

 

[TheSecondStain]

Anyone would be gutted about going from us to Everton.
In all seriousness I don't have another source to back up about the assistants, but I did speak to one on the train (before any of this started) and he seemed very very settled and happy here. Obviously what goes on in his mind about this is not mine to know. It's the fact that all this has been backed up, as I have said previously many times.

According to the talked about post I've read on TSW, Jan and Erwin are absolutely furious with Ronald. Erwin will probably eventually join his brother just out of loyalty, and I have no problem with that. I think he's a good guy mixed up in a mess. Jan absolutely wants to stay at Saints because he loves it here and he's settled.

 

[Tobes]

...and about as authentic as some of the stories you've been telling. (you took the bait nicely)

Only my 'stories' have been since proven by something called reality...

As for taking the bait, haha, I think not.

 

[berlinersaint]

Tobes, do you seriously have nothing better to do on a Sunday afternoon/evening than trawl a forum for supporters of a team you don't support, while stubbornly arguing your own standpoint with no room for negotiation against other people's standpoint?

Do yourself a favour, switch the device off and go and watch the Euros or spend time with the family or something.

Well said.
Jesus H Christ, I had a look at the Everton "Not 606" side and guess what? The VERY same candidates are, Discussing? Arguing? Squabbling? The SAME thing over there.....Wow!........Can't we just put this thread on lock down until something OFFICIAL is announced?

 

[saintsfcfan]

According to the talked about post I've read on TSW, Jan and Erwin are absolutely furious with Ronald. Erwin will probably eventually join his brother just out of loyalty, and I have no problem with that. I think he's a good guy mixed up in a mess. Jan absolutely wants to stay at Saints because he loves it here and he's settled.

From what he was telling me, with family being settled and happy, pleased with how the club is run and that it was (in his opinion) a fantastic work environment, I'd understand why he'd be very pissed off.

 

[KillerCephalopod]

Jan absolutely wants to stay at Saints because he loves it here and he's settled.

Hope Jan does stay - a slap in the face for Koeman - not many fitness coaches become fan favorites, but that'd do it.

 

[TheSecondStain]

Well said.
Jesus H Christ, I had a look at the Everton "Not 606" side and guess what? The VERY same candidates are, Discussing? Arguing? Squabbling? The SAME thing over there.....Wow!........Can't we just put this thread on lock down until something OFFICIAL is announced?

If you mean temporarily close the thread then we only do that if debate becomes abusive or the thread has died a natural death and it is in the forum's interest for it not to be revived.

 

[Schad]

If it was club PR it'd have gone via a journalist straight into print, and not via some random on a forum who has no credibility

Wouldn't be so sure. It's pretty well known that a couple of the 'ITKs' on that forum are leaking things with the permission of the club, and have been for years. Which does put the "at least as far as the club sees it" in context...it's a means for them to get their side out on things that can't go straight to a journalist.

 

[saintsfcfan]

Tobes reminds me of Everton as a team. Potential for a good attack but an inter-changing defence that many holes can be picked in.

 

[berlinersaint]

If you mean temporarily close the thread then we only do that if debate becomes abusive or the thread has died a natural death and it is in the forum's interest for it not to be revived.

Alles klar TSS,