Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

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How will you vote in the EU referendum ?


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So the freedom to live and work in Europe will only be available to the intellectual elite....welcome to the point <doh>

You assume that someone who questions something is attacking the original poster I wasn't but your point isn't the only point; there are other points across the argument.

In an ideal and perfect world borders wouldn't exist and opportunities to find jobs and establish roots in any country would be available to all regardless of your Labour market skills.

But we don't live in that world - I wish we did.

There is every chance that every British national alive today, and potentially their children and grandchildren, will be eligable to be dual nationals holding EU citizenship meaning freedom of movement may remain - I would hope that any EU national who calls the UK their home would benefit from this also.

But like so much it's speculation.
 
You've over generalised my comments .. I have made comments specifically about jobs at distribution centres within the company that I work for ... and in those locations it is certainly not the case of economic immigrants 'contributing' to the 'lack of opportunities for our youth' ... I don't see how any system change would make any difference to that ... it's all about the appetite and desire to work .. to get a foot on the employment ladder as a first step ... and then take it from there .. .
Your personal experience is being dismissed by him as dismissive, you couldn't make this **** up <laugh>
 
In an ideal and perfect world borders wouldn't exist and opportunities to find jobs and establish roots in any country would be available to all regardless of your Labour market skills.

But we don't live in that world - I wish we did.

There is every chance that every British national alive today, and potentially their children and grandchildren, will be eligable to be dual nationals holding EU citizenship meaning freedom of movement may remain - I would hope that any EU national who calls the UK their home would benefit from this also.

But like so much it's speculation.

But we did live in a World where 28 of the most developed countries in the World lived by exactly that principle....

But we've chosen to withdraw from it.

What happens moving forwards remains to be seen, but if those pushing against free movement get their way, then we've closed the door on that for the youth of today and the generations behind them.
 
I went to school at a grammar school which was insistent at teaching the pupils how to analyse subjects as well as providing knowledge. I then worked for five years at a time that employers were happy to take on school leavers because they knew, that with a small amount of training, they would be useful members of the workforce. I then came to London and lived in a bedsit that I shared with a girlfriend while we both studied. She studied Maths and I studied Accountancy. I then rented a flat while training and studying at an international firm of accountants. I got fantastic experience along with great training. I then worked as an accountant in an international group. I then decided that I wanted my own accounting practice so I took on clients who I worked on their accounts and tax on evenings and weekends while still working full time. When I had reached full capacity I took a part time job so I could take on more clients. Eventually I worked full time as a self employed accountant. I've now reached the stage where I get rental income as well as income from my accounting practice and my wife, who's only 56, is retired.
I am grateful to my school for enabling me to have a good start in life so that I was wanted by employers and later on lecturers and senior accountants, managers and partners made sure I had the best possible education, experience and training.
I dont think enough is done at schools nowadays to give children a chance of getting a job. Employers are worried that they have to teach school leavers things that they should know when leaving school. Too many children don't seem to be willing to work hard. They also don't seem to be used to basic learning. The education system, rather than being left as it is, needs an overhaul from top to bottom. They should get rid of incompetent teachers and bring in teachers who have the skills and determination to produce school leavers who are wanted by employers and universities.
Of all the biographies I've read, this is by far the dullest. It's amazing that you haven't already died of boredom.
 
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But we did live in a World where 28 of the most developed countries in the World lived by exactly that principle....

But we've chosen to withdraw from it.

What happens moving forwards remains to be seen, but if those pushing against free movement get their way, then we've closed the door on that for the youth of today and the generations behind them.

I agree totally.

I will say though that all of the youth I've seen complaining about the potential removal of their chances as a result of freedom of movement have been well educated young professionals or even younger educated budding professionals....

The young tracky wearing youth seem more worried about their holidays....

My point being that the intellectual elite will in all likelihood be alright whatever happens.
 
What part of the GETTING back up do you fail to understand?

If I were you I would stick to calling everyone Racist, its you MO.
At the time of your prediction it was down 8% post referendum. You said it would be back at pre referendum levels in 2 weeks. I advised you to back your judgement and invest as an 8% return in 2 weeks would be a good investment.

After two weeks it was down a further 1% which made your prediction spectacularly ****.

I'm surprised you've chosen to bring it up again!
 
But we did live in a World where 28 of the most developed countries in the World lived by exactly that principle....

But we've chosen to withdraw from it.

What happens moving forwards remains to be seen, but if those pushing against free movement get their way, then we've closed the door on that for the youth of today and the generations behind them.


Sorry I do disagree with the first paragraph the EU is not made up of 28 of the most developed countries in the World....
 
At the time of your prediction it was down 8% post referendum. You said it would be back at pre referendum levels in 2 weeks. I advised you to back your judgement and invest as an 8% return in 2 weeks would be a good investment.

After two weeks it was down a further 1% which made your prediction spectacularly ****.

I'm surprised you've chosen to bring it up again!

3 days to go
 
Same 28 countries that is the worst performing continent, wow what a great club to be in.
Does you ignorance literally know no bounds?

The worst performing continent? By what measure?

13 of the top 20 most prosperous countries in the World are European.
 
You've over generalised my comments .. I have made comments specifically about jobs at distribution centres within the company that I work for ... and in those locations it is certainly not the case of economic immigrants 'contributing' to the 'lack of opportunities for our youth' ... I don't see how any system change would make any difference to that ... it's all about the appetite and desire to work .. to get a foot on the employment ladder as a first step ... and then take it from there .. .


You seem to be answering a question I never asked, but confirming my point at the same time.

It's the 'attitude' you refer to that I say makes them victims, not a cause or targets.
 
I agree totally.

I will say though that all of the youth I've seen complaining about the potential removal of their chances as a result of freedom of movement have been well educated young professionals or even younger educated budding professionals....

The young tracky wearing youth seem more worried about their holidays....

My point being that the intellectual elite will in all likelihood be alright whatever happens.
They understand the issue and yet still see it as a problem, why's that?

Maybe because free movement is free movement and despite your assertion that they'll still have the same level of opportunity, they don't view it like that.

There's a difference between applying for work visas and sorting out pre-arranged employment, than just rocking up at your destination of choice and starting from scratch.
 
Not 64% of 18-24 voted, as lots of them were not registered to vote, due to taking selfies for facebook.
Maybe that's why I posted "64% of those eligible to vote in the 18-24 bracket did so" <doh>

How many weren't registered by the way?

As for your comment "75% did not vote, to busy playing xbox and taking selfies" to be correct, it must have been millions <laugh>
 
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Have a read of my other replies.

Aside from lack of parental guidance I don't agree that there's a large section of our youth that should be viewed as being victims of our society.

Many lack perspective, as they have developed the same "it's someone else's problem" to their own lives, that they've been taught is the way it is by their feckless parents.

The reality is that they live in a country were opportunity is plentiful, but they choose to ignore the opportunities and blame someone else for their own lack of motivation and drive to provide for themselves.

The 3rd generation of Thatchers legacy, but I think labelling them as victims and cow towing to them is a massive part of the problem.
 
Aside from lack of parental guidance I don't agree that there's a large section of our youth that should be viewed as being victims of our society.

Many lack perspective, as they have developed the same "it's someone else's problem" to their own lives, that they've been taught is the way it is by their feckless parents.

The reality is that they live in a country were opportunity is plentiful, but they choose to ignore the opportunities and blame someone else for their own lack of motivation and drive to provide for themselves.

The 3rd generation of Thatchers legacy, but I think labelling them as victims and cow towing to them is a massive part of the problem.

I disagree with most of that for the rea sons I've already posted. There are far fewer real opportunities now than there were 20 years ago. That's based on personal experience, and shared experience from a fair few of that age.
 
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