Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

  • Please bear with us on the new site integration and fixing any known bugs over the coming days. If you can not log in please try resetting your password and check your spam box. If you have tried these steps and are still struggling email [email protected] with your username/registered email address
  • Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

How will you vote in the EU referendum ?


  • Total voters
    74
Status
Not open for further replies.
It'll be hard. His support was in London and they've turned on him. The rest of the country have and always will consider him a buffoon. The fact he's not standing suggests that he also lacks support within the Tory party.

As things stand he's committed career suicide.

Still, he's good on HIGNFY.
His support was most definitely NOT just in London.
It wasn't the Tory party that he lacked support. He will have stood down when his supporters took renewed soundings among Conservative Party MPs after Gove's decision to stand. That is what made his decision for him. These decision are not made in a bubble.
 
His support was most definitely NOT just in London.
It wasn't the Tory party that he lacked support. He will have stood down when his supporters took renewed soundings among Conservative Party MPs after Gove's decision to stand. That is what made his decision for him. These decision are not made in a bubble.
Of course Pete, he didn't fancy standing against Goebbels who'll be about as popular as a yeast infection with all but the extreme right of the electorate.
 
Thatcher lost her first couple of elections as a candidate to become an MP. But other than that you're spot on as usual Pete.
You dont understand do you? Parliamentary candidates get experience in seats where they have no hope of winning before they stand in a winnable seat. Life isn't as simple as you obviously think it is. You need to have an agile mind to understand what's going on.
 
You dont understand do you? Parliamentary candidates get experience in seats where they have no hope of winning before they stand in a winnable seat. Life isn't as simple as you obviously think it is. You need to have an agile mind to understand what's going on.
Pete said whilst wagging his finger

<laugh>

I'm afraid you ****ed up there Pete. By the way, Mike Reid wants his glasses back. Pat!

You must log in or register to see images
 
  • Like
Reactions: Peter Saxton
Exactly.

The Tory manifesto that they were elected on, included the commitment to a referendum, but not how they would deal with an exit from the EU should that referendum go the way it has.

Therefore they have no mandate regarding what is acceptable and what isn't, in terms of what the deal to exit should look like.

It should be a concern for both sides of this argument.

Brexit will still go ahead, stop worrying your left-wing self about it
 
  • Like
Reactions: petersaxton
The markets appear calm but there'll still be massive volatility dependant on statements, Q4 forecasts, news on external investments, job losses, politicians comments etc etc etc.

However, there now appears to be a vague timeline in place, during which nothing will drastically change - as we're currently still an EU state and it would appear that this will be the case until a Bill is put before the House in November.

What happens after Article 50 is actually invoked is imo another huge fall in the value of the pound and the markets tanking in the short term at least.

Post that it depends on how quickly a deal to access the free market is done.

Let's be 100% clear, we must have access to the free market, as it accounts for virtually half of our exports, including circa 30% of the total EU financial services sector. The EU leaders have made 2 things crystal clear so far;
1. Negotiations will not commence until we trigger article 50
2. That access to the free market will not be gained without free movement of people an a tariff being paid.

The second point is deemed by the Tories as the prime reason why the UK voted as it did, therefore that suggests that it's a political no, no, to simply accept this demand. So where will that leave us? If we reach a complete stalemate over the free movement issue, then it could take literally years to conclude a deal. A deal that didn't include free movement could either be veto'd by the member states or the compromise could be that we pay a colossal tariff in exchange for some limits on numbers, albeit that solution would go against the fundamental principle of the EU free movement ideal.

Since this referendum was announced global businesses have largely been holding back on capital investment schemes in the UK. As what's the point in setting up a base in Europe when the country you're seeking to base yourself in might not have free access to the huge market that you're seeking to penetrate?
For the entirety of this process that will continue. Worse than that, businesses who are currently based here might consider relocating their facilities to EU member states if the negotiations become protracted and it appears doubtful that a free trade agreement is going to be reached. The likes of Siemens, Vodaphone and Ryanair have already spoken openly about it. Longer term, why would the likes of Nissan continue to build cars in Sunderland for the EU market? Why would the financial sector base itself in London, Leeds or Edinburgh if it can't sell it's services to it's prime market without a tariff?

The longer it goes on, the worse it would get. As GDP would fall, unemployment rise, public services would be cut, taxes would have to be increased, disposable income would drop resulting in yet more contraction of the domestic economy as spending falls. A weak pound would make imports more costly and we have a trade deficit, so inflation increases, putting pressure on the BoE to increase interest rates....it goes on and on. That is as I see it.

The only way to avoid it, is to do a prompt deal with the EU that goes against the primary reason that the Leave vote was carried.


Nicely put
 
Brexit will still go ahead, stop worrying your left-wing self about it
That's not the point you dolt.

They should set out to the entire electorate what their plans are for the deal, what is negotiable and what isn't.

As them signing a deal that still allows Johnny Foreigner in isn't what you want is it?
 
That's not the point you dolt.

They should set out to the entire electorate what their plans are for the deal, what is negotiable and what isn't.

As them signing a deal that still allows Johnny Foreigner in isn't what you want is it?

Everything is negotiable, but they will not tell us anything until a deal is done.
 
You must log in or register to see images
What a plank whoever decided to rectify that supposed 'myth'

73% of those young people who could be arsed dragging themselves out of bed or leaving the pub, did vote to Remain. The turnout %age has **** all to do with it.

The vote split as you go through the age ranges highlights exactly the same point, the older the voter the higher %age voted leave, so his table proves the point, not the converse.
 
Everything is negotiable, but they will not tell us anything until a deal is done.
So you'd be perfectly happy if they came back with free movement of people and a tariff akin to Norway's then?

You'd think that was sound eh?
 
What a plank whoever decided to rectify that supposed 'myth'

73% of those young people who could be arsed dragging themselves out of bed or leaving the pub, did vote to Remain. The turnout %age has **** all to do with it.

The vote split as you go through the age ranges highlights exactly the same point, the older the voter the higher %age voted leave, so his table proves the point, not the converse.

You seem lost.

IF they kids who did not vote had voted, INNERS would have won.
Bur its the Kids who are blaming the oldies for voting, but in reality the kiddies were to busy playing Lego and xbox
 
So you'd be perfectly happy if they came back with free movement of people and a tariff akin to Norway's then?

You'd think that was sound eh?

We both know thats not going to be the outcome, UKs market is much bigger than Norways so better terms will be done, but I do accept a limited number of EU people allowed in, Women with big boobs and no fatties.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.