Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

[afcftw]

Most are poorly educated and of relatively low intelligence. The Brexit leaders know which strings to pull to get this mob heated up too.

So, they keep repeating their patently untrue figures of the U.K. paying the EU £350mill p.w. Keep bashing the immigration drum, etc.

As has been pointed out, the U.K. Is the 5th largest economy in the world. It is currently the fastest growing economy in Europe. So, our membership of the EU can't be hurting us too badly.

Around 90% of the world's top economists have stated that Brexit will do significant damage to the UK economy.

@line 1 - any statistics to back up that the majority of people who want Out are of low intelligence or just an assumption based on it being the opposite of what you think?

@line 2 - the £350m figure is fine, it just needs the clarification attached that it doesn't take into consideration the rebate or money paid back to the UK in funding. The main points that should be focused on in regards to this money are that there is a huge proportion of the money that doesn't come back to the UK and the money that does we don't get to decide how best to use, the EU does. The focus on immigration does slightly annoy me, it is only one small part of the EU debate but is given far too much air time.

@line 3 - we were also one of the largest economies of the world before the EU and would be after an exit. The EU helps certain areas of the economy and hinders others, it depends what industries you look at.

@line 4 - I'd be interested in looking at those stats if you have a link?

 

[afcftw]

By the way for those who think the EU is a beacon of economic prosperity I'd suggest doing some research into the situations in the Mediterranean countries, the treatment of Greece in particular, the economic measures that have been put in place by the ECB over the last year to attempt to avoid the EU economy going into deflation using high risk economic tactics and the length of time it takes the EU to do trade deals compared to other countries and trade blocks around the world. It really isn't all as lovely as people like to make out.

The EU is in need of serious reform and is economically very unstable currently.

 

[HRH Custard VC]

No 1 Inners scaremongering but to be fair to them lots of 21 year old students are inners, so thad does buff up the so called intelligent rating
No 2 We pay £55M a day gross: https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million
Thats 55x7=385 gross, remember when you apply for a job they give you a gross pre tax figure so the outers are right.

No 3 Very true

 

[HRH Custard VC]

The EU is in need of serious reform and is economically very unstable currently.

This is the problem with the inners, they think they can reform it, but the 27 other counties say no, by being out they will have to reform or other counties will leave, its getting very bad is some counties and even the French people are wanting out, much pain is coming to the Euro zone and its not going to be nice.

 

[NSIS]

@line 1 - any statistics to back up that the majority of people who want Out are of low intelligence or just an assumption based on it being the opposite of what you think?

@line 2 - the £350m figure is fine, it just needs the clarification attached that it doesn't take into consideration the rebate or money paid back to the UK in funding. The main points that should be focused on in regards to this money are that there is a huge proportion of the money that doesn't come back to the UK and the money that does we don't get to decide how best to use, the EU does. The focus on immigration does slightly annoy me, it is only one small part of the EU debate but is given far too much air time.

@line 3 - we were also one of the largest economies of the world before the EU and would be after an exit. The EU helps certain areas of the economy and hinders others, it depends what industries you look at.

@line 4 - I'd be interested in looking at those stats if you have a link?

Observation. The Brexiters tend to be almost universally not very bright "little Englanders"

The £350mill figure is NOT fine. It's a gross misrepresentation of the facts.

The U.K. has been a member of the EU since 1973. Our economy was a basket case back then!..

Here's one link. http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/eu-referen...ists-say-brexit-will-damage-uk-growth-1562596

 

[HRH Custard VC]

The £350mill figure is NOT fine. It's a gross misrepresentation of the facts.

Here's one link. http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/eu-referen...ists-say-brexit-will-damage-uk-growth-1562596

Its still correct but 385M per week, yes its a gross pre rebate but its still correct, come on we all know they spin the facts to suit.


Below taken from other people:
"In total, 639 respondents completed an online survey, sent to non-student members of the Royal Economic Society and the Society of Business Economists, between 19 and 27 May 2016: a response rate of 17%. Data is unweighted and reported figures should only be taken as representative of the views of those who responded"

The same people who midsed the crash in 2008, Well they saw that Greece was financially unsound... Nope, that was missed too.
So you cant really trust them can you.

 

[HRH Custard VC]

The U.K. has been a member of the EU since 1973. Our economy was a basket case back then!..

Like France it was bad Unions and poor Government and over regulation just like the EU is now

 

[NSIS]

Its still correct but 385M per week, yes its a gross pre rebate but its still correct, come on we all know they spin the facts to suit.


Below taken from other people:
"In total, 639 respondents completed an online survey, sent to non-student members of the Royal Economic Society and the Society of Business Economists, between 19 and 27 May 2016: a response rate of 17%. Data is unweighted and reported figures should only be taken as representative of the views of those who responded"

The same people who midsed the crash in 2008, Well they saw that Greece was financially unsound... Nope, that was missed too.
So you cant really trust them can you.

I worked in The City back then. Everybody knew that Goldman had played with the Greek balance sheet to make it look viable for them to join. They should never have been allowed to.

The facts are that around 90% of top economists warn that Brexit will significantly damage the UK economy.

The £350mill figure is false! Yet, they still have it plastered all over the side of their buses. It's dishonest, whichever way you want to couch it.

 

[NSIS]

Like France it was bad Unions and poor Government and over regulation just like the EU is now

Rubbish! It's unions that have been allowed to become too powerful. France would have the same problems with them, EU or no EU...!

 

[afcftw]

I worked in The City back then. Everybody knew that Goldman had played with the Greek balance sheet to make it look viable for them to join. They should never have been allowed to.

The facts are that around 90% of top economists warn that Brexit will significantly damage the UK economy.

The £350mill figure is false! Yet, they still have it plastered all over the side of their buses. It's dishonest, whichever way you want to couch it.

Well if that survey is your evidence the "facts" are more like 88% of the 17% who responded of two economic societies think economic output will be lowered based on uncertainty surrounding access to the single market. Which is quite different to 90% of top economists thinking brexit will do significant damage to the UK economy.

Uncertainty is the key principle here and the reason that short term lots of people expect negative consequences, but long term it really would depend on what kind of deals we get in place rather than the initial shock factor.

The £350m figure is correct, we do pay that sort of money to the EU, we then receive some of it back in various ways, none of which we have control over.

 

[HRH Custard VC]

I worked in The City back then. Everybody knew that Goldman had played with the Greek balance sheet to make it look viable for them to join. They should never have been allowed to.

The facts are that around 90% of top economists warn that Brexit will significantly damage the UK economy.

The £350mill figure is false! Yet, they still have it plastered all over the side of their buses. It's dishonest, whichever way you want to couch it.

Its not 90% is it, its 90% of the 17% of the people that responded (650 of the 4000) is not very good is it 73% of the 4000 did not bother to waste the time responding to government crap. (hope that makes sense)

Also its £385M gross, that is FACT, but we agree its a little miss leading as its gross, but none the less a true finger, see the link I posted

 

[HRH Custard VC]

Rubbish! It's unions that have been allowed to become too powerful. France would have the same problems with them, EU or no EU...!

Same a the UK in 1973

 

[NSIS]

Well if that survey is your evidence the "facts" are more like 88% of the 17% who responded of two economic societies think economic output will be lowered based on uncertainty surrounding access to the single market. Which is quite different to 90% of top economists thinking brexit will do significant damage to the UK economy.

Uncertainty is the key principle here and the reason that short term lots of people expect negative consequences, but long term it really would depend on what kind of deals we get in place rather than the initial shock factor.

The £350m figure is correct, we do pay that sort of money to the EU, we then receive some of it back in various ways, none of which we have control over.

It's one survey only. There is far more evidence, you have only to look at how markets react to any poll showing Brexit is in the lead.

Facts are, if we vote to leave the pound will nosedive - probably go 1/1 against the euro. As we're a net importer, that makes our imports far more expensive. Consequently, inflation will rise. The BOE will most likely have to raise rates anyway to try and protect the pound, but raised inflation will bring about a rate rise anyway. Mortgage costs will go up, disposable incomes down. The economy will shrink significantly. The stock market will go into free fall.

The £350mill figure is a misrepresentation. Pure and simple!...this explains why it's dishonest..

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...23/does-the-eu-really-cost-the-uk-350m-a-week

 

[HRH Custard VC]

It's one survey only. There is far more evidence, you have only to look at how markets react to any poll showing Brexit is in the lead.

Facts are, if we vote to leave the pound will nosedive - probably go 1/1 against the euro. As we're a net importer, that makes our imports far more expensive. Consequently, inflation will rise. The BOE will most likely have to raise rates anyway to try and protect the pound, but raised inflation will bring about a rate rise anyway. Mortgage costs will go up, disposable incomes down. The economy will shrink significantly. The stock market will go into free fall.

The £350mill figure is a misrepresentation. Pure and simple!...

No its not its a fact, but its gross, just like a job that advertises the wage at for example £30k per year, that pre tax not net

here is a link about other counties wanting out http://yournewswire.com/france-announce-likely-exit-from-europe-ahead-of-brexit-vote/

 

[NSIS]

No its not its a fact, but its gross, just like a job that advertises the wage at for example £30k per year, that pre tax not net

here is a link about other counties wanting out http://yournewswire.com/france-announce-likely-exit-from-europe-ahead-of-brexit-vote/

Your analogy escapes me!...

That is a survey about what is called a 'federal europe'. No, I don't agree with that either. We are fine as we are and I cannot see the federalists ever being able to see 'The United States of Europe' to the people...

 

[Tobes]

Anyone arguing that the £350m a day figure that Johnson and his tribe of clowns have been using is a 'true' figure are either being disingenuous or are plain dumb.

The net cost is circa 45% of that figure, so for the hard of thinking - less than half.

Or 0.4% of our GDP.

Our economy will contract by way more than the net cost if we vote out.

Take your pick.

 

[afcftw]

It's one survey only. There is far more evidence, you have only to look at how markets react to any poll showing Brexit is in the lead.

Facts are, if we vote to leave the pound will nosedive - probably go 1/1 against the euro. As we're a net importer, that makes our imports far more expensive. Consequently, inflation will rise. The BOE will most likely have to raise rates anyway to try and protect the pound, but raised inflation will bring about a rate rise anyway. Mortgage costs will go up, disposable incomes down. The economy will shrink significantly. The stock market will go into free fall.

The £350mill figure is a misrepresentation. Pure and simple!...this explains why it's dishonest..

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...23/does-the-eu-really-cost-the-uk-350m-a-week

I already said short term most people expect negative economic consequences based on the uncertainty surrounding a brexit. That's what the markets do when there is uncertainty, however over time that uncertainty would dissipate as deals come into place and a clearer picture of how things will go emerges post brexit. Long term it depends what deals we get in place.

The £350m figure is a fact, it just requires people to have knowledge beyond that figure to understand where that money goes. Regardless of any rebate and EU funding we do pay that amount to the EU. Though I can understand why it is seen as misleading.

 

[Tobes]

I already said short term most people expect negative economic consequences based on the uncertainty surrounding a brexit. That's what the markets do when there is uncertainty, however over time that uncertainty would dissipate as deals come into place and a clearer picture of how things will go emerges post brexit. Long term it depends what deals we get in place.

The £350m figure is a fact, it just requires people to have knowledge beyond that figure to understand where that money goes. Regardless of any rebate and EU funding we do pay that amount to the EU.

The markets will fall - fact

GDP will reduce and we will be plunged into recession

It could take years to negotiate these deals, it took Canada 7......so the market uncertainty won't be a blip, it'll be a prolonged plunge.

The statement 'it's costs the UK £350m a day to be in the EU" is completely misleading, as it doesn't, but many will take it at face value, that's the point, and stop pretending that it isn't.

 

[NSIS]

I already said short term most people expect negative economic consequences based on the uncertainty surrounding a brexit. That's what the markets do when there is uncertainty, however over time that uncertainty would dissipate as deals come into place and a clearer picture of how things will go emerges post brexit. Long term it depends what deals we get in place.

The £350m figure is a fact, it just requires people to have knowledge beyond that figure to understand where that money goes. Regardless of any rebate and EU funding we do pay that amount to the EU. Though I can understand why it is seen as misleading.

I stated long ago that the long term effects are unknown. Much would depend on what trade deals can be made, how our economy responds, and hopefully recovers from the the substantial initial shock that it will suffer. But why are we taking these unnecessary risks with our future??

The short term effects, and I'm talking at least 12-24 months, will be very nasty! How nasty, it's impossible to predict. But all I've listed above will happen!...

The £350mill is dishonest, and that's being kind. Any honest campaign would stop so blatantly trumpeting it!...

 

[Tobes]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/11/eu-vote-remain-leave-sterling-markets

A 30% fall in sterling and a 20% fall in equities

The stuff of nightmares