Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

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How will you vote in the EU referendum ?


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If you read the last part of what I wrote, you will see that I don't disagree with immigration or the fact that our benefits system make it easier for our own to sit on there arses and not find work. What I don't want, is being told that we have to fulfil a quota for migrants by the EU. Surely if the need is an additional 50,000 people in year X, 100,000 in year Y and only 20,000 in year Z, then that's our immigration policy.
My other argument is that immigration (by virtue of lower wages) is somehow good for the country. As already mentioned this is not being reflected when awarding contracts, just the boys at the top being able to take a larger profit.

Before the insults start from the normal suspects, I will say that I am still undecided about which way to vote.
My heart says leave, my head says stay. The only constant so far is that both sides are spouting so many lies and so much nonsense, it is making the decision difficult.
I think you and I are pretty much in agreement.
 
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You must be a small fish then :) , plenty in my area, along with electricians etc, last time I needed work doing I had one come withing 24 hours, also had electrical work done in my garage and 3 days later it was done and all for a good price.

To be fair we need to train up British workers to be plumbers and not import them.
As a big fish with so much influence amongst local tradesmen you should start a booking portal, you'd make a fortune.
 
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Most of them scousers I guess <laugh>
We all know we have many scroungers but we as a country cant take the mass influx of immigration more people than the size of Liverpool every year is too many, the NHS cant cope, but dont worry, when you need it you may be lucky and only have to wait 5 years

Throughout the 70's, 80's, 90's right up to until 2008 the NHS was plagued by long waits for as long as records can tell – waits that were both common and very long. It steadied over the period from about 2008 to 2014 but the problem is the data is largely unreliable. My point is though, that the only reason this is used by Brexit campaigners is because we actually have systems (no matter how unreliable) of trying to measure and control it, and they use this disingenuously to skew the argument. But the fact we had immigration at 30k to 50k net in the 80's and 90's yet had worse NHS waiting list kind of undermines the whole Brexit argument.
 
Just a thought for those of you that want to remain in the EU, calling anyone who wants out, or anyone who has voted for UKIP a racist will only harden the position of those people. Insults and belittling people based on them having a different political leaning only entrenches their position. If you genuinely want to influence people rather than just feel superior to them then maybe try a different approach.

Personally I've voted for UKIP on multiple occasions for the main purpose of achieving a referendum on EU membership. We now have a referendum on EU membership. Democracy working, how refreshing to feel like a vote cast has actually had an impact.

Now that we've got the referendum I expect my vote will in future likely end up with a different political party.

I'm neither racist, a little englander, poorly educated or old.
 
Just a thought for those of you that want to remain in the EU, calling anyone who wants out, or anyone who has voted for UKIP a racist will only harden the position of those people. Insults and belittling people based on them having a different political leaning only entrenches their position. If you genuinely want to influence people rather than just feel superior to them then maybe try a different approach.

Personally I've voted for UKIP on multiple occasions for the main purpose of achieving a referendum on EU membership. We now have a referendum on EU membership. Democracy working, how refreshing to feel like a vote cast has actually had an impact.

Now that we've got the referendum I expect my vote will in future likely end up with a different political party.

I'm neither racist, a little englander, poorly educated or old.
You're also not a **** or a mong (read back before you get offended)!
 
You have to be brain dead to vote out.........just look at Boris,Gove IDS and Farage.....They all look as if they have escaped from a lunatic asylum <laugh> and you still get morons voting for them even though they risk their families future on something Boris and his Munster's are telling you they don't know what will happen.....well listen to the 9 out of 10 economists and learn.......If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck you can be pretty sure it's a duck.......Dont get conned by the far right as you will end up paying serious consequences.....
 
Just a thought for those of you that want to remain in the EU, calling anyone who wants out, or anyone who has voted for UKIP a racist will only harden the position of those people. Insults and belittling people based on them having a different political leaning only entrenches their position. If you genuinely want to influence people rather than just feel superior to them then maybe try a different approach.

Personally I've voted for UKIP on multiple occasions for the main purpose of achieving a referendum on EU membership. We now have a referendum on EU membership. Democracy working, how refreshing to feel like a vote cast has actually had an impact.

Now that we've got the referendum I expect my vote will in future likely end up with a different political party.

I'm neither racist, a little englander, poorly educated or old.
Anyone who voted for UKIP is a ****ing balloon in my eyes

Saying that you did so on the basis of hoping for a referendum on Europe does not excuse the idiocy

Not even arsed
 
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You have to be brain dead to vote out.........just look at Boris,Gove IDS and Farage.....They all look as if they have escaped from a lunatic asylum <laugh> and you still get morons voting for them even though they risk their families future on something Boris and his Munster's are telling you they don't know what will happen.....well listen to the 9 out of 10 economists and learn.......If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck you can be pretty sure it's a duck.......Dont get conned by the far right as you will end up paying serious consequences.....
The out voters are too stupid to piss on if they were on fire

The economic risk is indisputable and yet they still want to ignore it and gamble with the nations future, for what? Absolute ****ing morons
 
The out voters are too stupid to piss on if they were on fire

The economic risk is indisputable and yet they still want to ignore it and gamble with the nations future, for what? Absolute ****ing morons
At least we're not scouse though. <ok>
 
The out voters are too stupid to piss on if they were on fire

The economic risk is indisputable and yet they still want to ignore it and gamble with the nations future, for what? Absolute ****ing morons

Most are poorly educated and of relatively low intelligence. The Brexit leaders know which strings to pull to get this mob heated up too.

So, they keep repeating their patently untrue figures of the U.K. paying the EU £350mill p.w. Keep bashing the immigration drum, etc.

As has been pointed out, the U.K. Is the 5th largest economy in the world. It is currently the fastest growing economy in Europe. So, our membership of the EU can't be hurting us too badly.

Around 90% of the world's top economists have stated that Brexit will do significant damage to the UK economy.
 
Most are poorly educated and of relatively low intelligence. The Brexit leaders know which strings to pull to get this mob heated up too.

So, they keep repeating their patently untrue figures of the U.K. paying the EU £350mill p.w. Keep bashing the immigration drum, etc.

As has been pointed out, the U.K. Is the 5th largest economy in the world. It is currently the fastest growing economy in Europe. So, our membership of the EU can't be hurting us too badly.

Around 90% of the world's top economists have stated that Brexit will do significant damage to the UK economy.
It's knee jerk nationalism that lacks substance and logic. When pressed to give a credible answer to an awkward question the Leavers retreat to "**** off, we're British".

When it all goes tits up, they'll deny culpability and will blame whichever politicians are in power at the time.
 
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