Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

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How will you vote in the EU referendum ?

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I think Russia and its fans are showing us in the Euros what it's like to be a country outside the EU. I dont want us to turn into them. If you dont like it here I suggest you go live in Russia for a while. Trek across Siberia and see the hardship they're facing. The weather's bloody awful!
 
pieguts said:
Buts that's the point I'm making, the economists who knew the banking crisis was coming, as early as 2006, are the ones that generally are discrediting the scare tactics being used by the remain campaign.
Being in the EU is not going to protect us from world events. The shrinking economy in China should be more of a worry.
And this is why I will always go back to my original question which is HOW do we know that our economy will crumble if we leave?
Today's latest offering by Osbourne, is that pensions will be affected. Hasn't that ship already sailed, when Brown dipped into the lucrative pension pot, companies almost overnight did away with final salary schemes and the goverment retirement age increased by a couple of years?
This all happened whilst being a member of the EU, so potentially none of us are immune to rising unemployment, mortgage rate rises, world events which trigger recession, aging populations putting our health service under even more strain than it currently is, paying more for goods and services than the rest of Europe, further increases in retirement ages, TTIP (which is being negotiated, somewhat in secret, without the UK being represented and should be a real worry to us all), further increases in our net contribution to the EU etc,etc.
Why do the remain campaign seem to suggest that we will be in the **** if we leave, when from where I'm sitting, it's not that clever now!
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The economists probably didn't know it was coming. The full extent of the corruption and illegal selling of mortgages only really came to light after the event.

True, there were some warning signs in the enormous growth of The Mortgage backed Securities market, but nobody knew or expected the depth or size of it.
 
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pieguts said:
Have enjoyed the debate up to now, but if I don't get on with the decorating before the misses gets back, either "in or out" will be irrelevant.
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I predict you'll be out the door and in the dog house, if you don't get the DIY finished.
 
Mr Custard said:
You know where I was coming from, its freedom of our nation and staying in is giving what they died for.

I would be happy to fight against the aggressor, as long as every other man who has come into this country stands with me to fight back.

Would you fight or run away a coward?
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Bit rich to imply that I might be a coward (Bluey will love that) given you've just said you would only fight if every man in the country was also prepared to fight! That's hardly putting yourself forward pal!
 
Sir Stan said:
Bit rich to imply that I might be a coward (Bluey will love that) given you've just said you would only fight if every man in the country was also prepared to fight! That's hardly putting yourself forward pal!
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His grandad fought in the war you know....

...and he didn't do that so all these darkies and gypos could come over here taking our jobs and shagging our women....
 
I ****ing hate it when the right wing boneheads start bleating on about 'We fought a war for England to be free and now we've given all our power to Brussels'. We fought in the war against Fascism and for a free Europe, where countries could co-exist and cooperate instead of tearing lumps out of each other, not for some isolationist or nationalistic agenda.
 
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Treble said:
I think Russia and its fans are showing us in the Euros what it's like to be a country outside the EU. I dont want us to turn into them. If you dont like it here I suggest you go live in Russia for a while. Trek across Siberia and see the hardship they're facing. The weather's bloody awful!
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****.
 
PISKIE said:
I ****ing hate it when the right wing boneheads start bleating on about 'We fought a war for England to be free and now we've given all our power to Brussels'. We fought in the war against Fascism and for a free Europe, where countries could co-exist and cooperate instead of tearing lumps out of each other, not for some isolationist or nationalistic agenda.
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Yes yes, every single person who wants out must be a right wing, little englander.

Yawn.
 
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Just to clarify my standpoint is a little right of center. Also to add, the regressive lefts slow takeover has been far more damaging than anything the lunatic far right could ever actually achieve.
 
Tobes said:
His grandad fought in the war you know....

...and he didn't do that so all these darkies and gypos could come over here taking our jobs and shagging our women....
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And this is my problem with a lot of what's coming out of the leave campaign. This is far too important a decision to allow the likes of Farage to use it as "national front rally". My grandad, like many, fought in the war and I'm sure that all he wanted was a free and fairer society for himself and his family. If this is in Europe, I'm sure that didn't matter to him.
 
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Was watching a documentary about Newham the other day about all these sad West Ham chavs moving out into Essex bcos they couldnt stand "the darkies" moving in. Not right wing or racist at all obviously. Lets hope they move so far they fall off the edge eh. Good riddance :)
 
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Not 50% is it
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So that is 45% to a group of 27 countries and 55% to the other 170 plus countries. That equates to 1.66% per EU country and 0.32% to all others. Also Tobes did not claim that it was 50% he said it was almost 50%. Please read and understand carefully before playing with a keyboard.
 
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Mr Custard said:
You know where I was coming from, its freedom of our nation and staying in is giving what they died for.

I would be happy to fight against the aggressor, as long as every other man who has come into this country stands with me to fight back.

Would you fight or run away a coward?
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<laugh>
 
Lets play a game of who said this...

‘The two governments declare that France and Great Britain shall no longer be two nations, but one Franco-British Union… Every citizen of France will enjoy immediately citizenship of Great Britain; every British subject will become a citizen of France.’

Or this...

‘Hard as it is to say now.. I look forward to a United States of Europe, in which the barriers between the nations will be greatly minimised and unrestricted travel will be possible.’

Or this...

‘We aim at the eventual participation of all the peoples throughout the continent whose society and way of life are in accord with the Charter of Human Rights.’

Or this...

‘We cannot aim at anything less than the Union of Europe as a whole, and we look forward with confidence to the day when that Union will be achieved.’

Answers here...
http://eu-rope.ideasoneurope.eu/2013/11/10/winston-churchill-a-founder-of-the-european-union/

<laugh> oh dear
 
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