England squad....

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Who would be in your squads then if you were to pick. For natural balance go for

3 x GK
2 X DL
2 x DR
4 x DC
4 x CM
4 x Wingers
4 x Strikers
 
Joe Hart
Fraser Forster
Steve Harper

Liam Rosenior
Nathaniel Clyne

Leighton Baines
Ryan Bertrand

Curtis Davies
Michael Dawson
Gary Cahill
Phil Jagielka

Tom Huddlestone
Jake Livermore
Jack Wilshere
Jordan Henderson

Raheem Sterling
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
Stewart Downing
Tom Ince

Ross Barkley
Adam Lallana

Wayne Rooney
Danny Welbeck
 
Joe Hart
Fraser Forster
Steve Harper

Liam Rosenior
Nathaniel Clyne

Leighton Baines
Ryan Bertrand

Curtis Davies
Michael Dawson
Gary Cahill
Phil Jagielka

Tom Huddlestone
Jake Livermore
Jack Wilshere
Jordan Henderson

Raheem Sterling
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain
Stewart Downing
Tom Ince

Ross Barkley
Adam Lallana

Wayne Rooney
Danny Welbeck

Why the effort?
 
What messenger? You said:

'If the England squad was picked on performance, and not reputation...
This is what it would look like:

Forster
Clyne -- Cahill -- Jagielka -- Baines
Sterling -- Henderson -- Noble -- Downing
Austin -- Berainho

Wouldn't mind seeing that team actually...'

There is no messenger there, you dont say 'according to' or 'claims the Mail via EA'. Its posted as your opinion / fact and then a link added on to the bottom.

<laugh> As Bummers has said, that's the most bullshit "don't shoot the messenger" claim ever! You gave your own view, not someone else's.

Chill out, guys.

Apologies, I should have put the link first. My bad.

How? He had a link to the DM article with that very squad at the bottom of it.

Heres the link again: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-Austin-Fraser-Forster-according-EA-data.html

Thanks Quill, at least somebody gets it <cheers>
 
What, so if I posted saying Boyzone were the best band ever and I hope they reform and at the bottom om my post put a link to a Boyzone fan page then it wouldnt be my opinion, it would be someone else's?

The difference being a Boyzone fan page clearly isn't impartial whereas a newspaper article sort of is.

He's right in his 'Don't shoot the messenger' claim. He didn't even state it was his opinion, he started his post with 'If the England squad was picked on performance, and not reputation...' He clearly has a link to an article which that team is taken from.
 
The difference being a Boyzone fan page clearly isn't impartial whereas a newspaper article sort of is.

Did you scroll down the article? If you did you might have seen a f**ING MASSIVE ADVERT for an EA Sports product. Yeah massively impartial. Of course The Daily Mail received no incentive whatsoever to print these findings....

Arent you studying media or something?
 
Did you scroll down the article? If you did you might have seen a f**ING MASSIVE ADVERT for an EA Sports product. Yeah massively impartial. Of course The Daily Mail received no incentive whatsoever to print these findings....

Please point out where I said it was 'massively impartial'?

How is the EA product affecting their findings? EA uses Opta stats, the most accurate source for football statistics, so in essence they are using Opta stats, something the Daily Mail and the majority of news outlets use.
 
Please point out where I said it was 'massively impartial'?

How is the EA product affecting their findings? EA uses Opta stats, the most accurate source for football statistics, so in essence they are using Opta stats, something the Daily Mail and the majority of news outlets use.

I didnt say you said it was massively impartial. Please point out where I said you did.

It doesnt impact on the EA findings whatsoever. The very clear point I was making was the article was only printed because EA ****ing paid for it to be printed. You said it was an impartial article and it evidently isnt.
 
I didnt say you said it was massively impartial. Please point out where I said you did.

It doesnt impact on the EA findings whatsoever. The very clear point I was making was the article was only printed because EA ****ing paid for it to be printed. You said it was an impartial article and it evidently isnt.

<laugh> And you wonder why people always think you're in a bad mood.
 
Hudds is best out of the England shambles anyway. All he needs to do is c oncentrate on Hull City.

If this ^^^ is true what does that make you? Wummer of the year maybe?

Steve Bruce has said Tom should try to get into the England squad, surely he should know best?

Unless, of course, Steve Bruce is an idiot perhaps?
 
I've seen Mark Noble a lot this year and he should be in there too, why Hodgson would recall Downing and ignore Noble is another thing I can't understand, I agree Downing has played well enough this year in a different role but Noble has to be streets ahead of the likes of Carrick and that Henderson, who made a living with a few others off the back of Suarez and Sturridge last year and now looks like what he is again, average
 
It looks like we're off to a flyer, Gary Cahill, Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, Andros Townsend, Leighton Baines and Phil Jagieka have all missed the first training session through injury. <doh>
 
It looks like we're off to a flyer, Gary Cahill, Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, Andros Townsend, Leighton Baines and Phil Jagieka have all missed the first training session through injury. <doh>

If Cahill is out, we're in trouble. If Cahill AND Jagielka are out, then God help us.