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How are Labour doing after their first 12 months

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Archers Road said:
I’m not reading back through pages of bollocks to see who said what to who ffs.

No, it’s not the same, but various authorities have taken often quite drastic steps to resolve football’s hooligan problem. Banning Maccabi fans, who have a record of hooliganism, from Aston Villa is not that big a deal, in the scheme of things.
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Yes it is a big deal, because as I said it's unprecedented in this country. Loads of English clubs have a record of hooliganism, 20% of arrests in English games are for violent conduct. Villa being the fifth worst in the country, yet we don't stop them from travelling.

Also UEFA shouldn't duck their responsibility in all this for reforming the competition based on greed. While they are making more money from it, national police forces are having to spend more, maybe UEFA should be funding the security of these games in part, much the same as individual football clubs have to on a daily basis.

There are plenty of English clubs with a history of trouble in the Championship the league your team is in, those games will still go ahead and away fans will be welcomed, regardless of history, that's down to the cops to manage on the ground, as it is every single game, most days of the year.

What hasn't been taken into consideration is we handle problems well in this country due to the strict controls, there was no reason to treat the Villa game any different, we are an island, we have cameras everywhere these days, all you are doing is supporting the cause of bunch of thugs who had their own agenda, that had nowt to do with football - and I aint talking Maccabi fans.
 
Archers Road said:
Thatcher had football supports herded into cages
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Very true... and simplistically (perhaps over simplistically) - if the cages had never been made mandatory, then Hillsborough would not have occurred (at least not as devastatingly) ... the fans at the front would have spilled onto the pitch ...

I recall a game at Filbert St in the 70s - was an FA Cup Q/F against Arsenal (we lost) - the crowd was 39,000 - jam packed - so crowded in fact that the cops allowed kids to spill out from the kop and sit on the low wall in front, behind the goal - sensible policing ...
 
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Archers Road said:
Thatcher had football supports herded into cages
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I've been in a cage, so what we control the game better these days. We learned from caging people that fans die. Our ban in Europe was from fans dying, 39 if I remember correctly. Galatasary was the other problem, again fans died (2).

The Villa game was nothing like the above two, there was no such history in England. Not saying fans haven't died in England, my own club saw the death of a Fulham fan - but there hasn't been a ban as a result of any such incidents on home soil and they are the worse case scenarios - excluding Galatasary.
 
brb said:
Yes it is a big deal, because as I said it's unprecedented in this country. Loads of English clubs have a record of hooliganism, 20% of arrests in English games are for violent conduct. Villa being the fifth worst in the country, yet we don't stop them from travelling.

Also UEFA shouldn't duck their responsibility in all this for reforming the competition based on greed. While they are making more money from it, national police forces are having to spend more, maybe UEFA should be funding the security of these games in part, much the same as individual football clubs have to on a daily basis.

There are plenty of English clubs with a history of trouble in the Championship the league your team is in, those games will still go ahead and away fans will be welcomed, regardless of history, that's down to the cops to manage on the ground, as it is every single game, most days of the year.

What hasn't been taken into consideration is we handle problems well in this country due to the strict controls, there was no reason to treat the Villa game any different, we are an island, we have cameras everywhere these days, all you are doing is supporting the cause of bunch of thugs who had their own agenda, that had nowt to do with football - and I aint talking Maccabi fans.
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Tldr <ok>
 
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I think if the discussion was should the police have the ability to do this, ban travelling fans - then yeah let's have that discussion and therefore make it a precedent, with clear guidelines on what constitutes a travel ban scenario.

However, that would also mean bubble matches would have to be relooked at, because it's highly likely they would fall under the above. It's got to be the same rule and safe guards for everyone.

Although what I think this all impedes on is our freedom of travel, with laws slowly eroding our freedoms, so any talk shouldn't just be restricted to football. Should certain marches be allowed to go ahead.
 
brb said:
Cops have to manage violent disorder every single weekend at English football clubs. During the 2024/25 season the worst five clubs were:

1. Man Utd
2. Man City
3. West Ham
4. Chelsea
5. Aston Villa <laugh>

Maybe we should ban all Villa fans from travelling - 35% of problems were at home. Of all arrestable offences, around 20% are for violent disorder.

Most football related arrests happen at FA Cup games, followed second by European Competitions.

West Ham had the most football banning orders in place, with 112. @Big Ern <whistle>

Leicester were fourth with 70.... @FosseFilberto

None of these games last season resulted in any club groups from travelling - the police just got on with doing their jobs and dealing with trouble as and when.
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This stat is numbers of arrests, right?

Considering there is 75k at every Old Trafford league game, it's not surprising there are the most arrests there.


Don't know how that explains City being second but there you go...........
 
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Chief said:
This stat is numbers of arrests, right?

Considering there is 75k at every Old Trafford league game, it's not surprising there are the most arrests there.


Don't know how that explains City being second but there you go...........
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Chief said:
This stat is numbers of arrests, right?

Considering there is 75k at every Old Trafford league game, it's not surprising there are the most arrests there.


Don't know how that explains City being second but there you go...........
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No. I think it means worst as in most obnoxious.

Would be more convincing if Spurs were up there though, tbf.
 
Chief said:
This stat is numbers of arrests, right?

Considering there is 75k at every Old Trafford league game, it's not surprising there are the most arrests there.


Don't know how that explains City being second but there you go...........
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Hear there was a big toe to toe 30 v 30 arranged at Whalley Range after the game Saturday, very nasty by accounts.
 
Chief said:
This stat is numbers of arrests, right?

Considering there is 75k at every Old Trafford league game, it's not surprising there are the most arrests there.


Don't know how that explains City being second but there you go...........
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Yeah that's right, number of arrests. I guessed it was more to do with of the higher attendance figures - 49% were home arrests, City came in at 59% for home problems.

Football averages 4.2 arrests for every 100,000, which is not bad figure imho.

I think overall arrests had gone down and banning orders had gone up, so people are certainly getting the message. I think Europe will always be a problem for a while, because of the increased frequency of games.
 
Gessa said:
Hear there was a big toe to toe 30 v 30 arranged at Whalley Range after the game Saturday, very nasty by accounts.
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"What do we get for our trouble and pain, just a rented room in Whalley Range?

What do we get for our trouble and pain? Whalley Range."




Soz. That's literally all that Whalley Range means to me, and what I think when I hear that name!
 
brb said:
I think if the discussion was should the police have the ability to do this, ban travelling fans - then yeah let's have that discussion and therefore make it a precedent, with clear guidelines on what constitutes a travel ban scenario.

However, that would also mean bubble matches would have to be relooked at, because it's highly likely they would fall under the above. It's got to be the same rule and safe guards for everyone.

Although what I think this all impedes on is our freedom of travel, with laws slowly eroding our freedoms, so any talk shouldn't just be restricted to football. Should certain marches be allowed to go ahead.
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You keep saying police and technically youre right but it was the Birminghamstan caliphates threats of violence that got them banned lets have it right
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Sucky said:
You keep saying police and technically youre right but it was the Birminghamstan caliphates threats of violence that got them banned lets have it right
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Tbph I don't know what went on with local residents, but it's the first time I've ever known a ban for them reasons. I reckon a fair few residential properties have had a smashed window, rock thrown through or whatever over the years at many a ground, never got media attention before. Then even though the fans had been banned, they still turned up mob handed and gave the cops a hard time.
 
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