Disappointed Dickson

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He's being incredibly unprofessional. Does he think the club are now going to see his 'outburst' and go:

"Oh poor Ryan, lets sympathise with him and not get the best deal for us"?

I understand that he doesn't want to go out on loan again but this public bashing of Cortese/Adkins won't benefit him at all.
 
Players want it all! When they are in demand from another club, they jockey for a move, or an increase in their wages, and use their agents to manipulate the situation, but when they fall out of favour they demand to be let go for a fraction of what the club value them at, but wont take a pay cut. If the club dont want to sell at a knock down price why the hell should they. They keep paying the players wages, so he is no worse off. Cant beleive the posters who think we should just throw money away like confetti - remember guys, we're not POMPEY.
 
Wow, these players are human beings with their own feelings you know.

He's not in our plans, no-one is going to pay a big fee, we bought him for next to nothing, what's the harm in letting him go for next to nothing? Who does it help to keep him here and never use him?

I can understand his frustration and some of you seem to have this attitude that the club is incapable of doing anything wrong; well, if they don't sell Dickson because they are holding out for an extra £50k then that is just pathetic penny-pinching, which we should be above. We just spent a fortune on Rodriguez, the sums of money involved in Dickson's fee are negligible.

Plus if we don't sell him for a reasonable sum he'll just end up taking a wage and leaving for free. We'd save money by letting him go for nothing!
 
Swiss Tony said:
Don't know what is going on tbh. I only know players do not loss out what with not only a weekly wage but bonuses for appearances, goals, being sold, joining a new club etc

He should focus on getting better as a player and as an individual.
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Who says he isn't? But what's the point in working on your game if you never get to play?
 
Swiss Tony said:
Different from being ostracised. He got the contract in the first place for showing promise, he hasn't lived up to that otherwise he would be given some opportunity to show what he is capable of.
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I don't think that's really the case; he got the contract in the first place because we needed someone who could do a job in league one at left back. We got that, now we're not in league one anymore and we don't need him. Where's the sense in keeping him here?
 
Dont know both sides of the story but it does seem sensible to let him go. If he isnt in our plans then we might aswell get something for him now and not have to pay his wages for another year. Also why is everyone saying he needs to lower his wage demands how do you know thats whats the problem?
 
TBD said:
Dont know both sides of the story but it does seem sensible to let him go. If he isnt in our plans then we might aswell get something for him now and not have to pay his wages for another year. Also why is everyone saying he needs to lower his wage demands how do you know thats whats the problem?
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It's already been reported Yeovil couldn't sign him because his wages were too high following promotion even though Dickson never made a League appearence
 
I suspect that both parties are standing their ground and a compromise will be reached. The standard of club who want Dickson won't come anywhere near his wages, but Saints won't pay up his contract. Depends if Dickson wants to sit out this season on good wages...to be honest, anyone with a mortgage and bills would understand if he chose to do that. I may be wrong but wasn't he an emergency buy due to another player being injured preseason...act in haste, repent at leisure.
 
We obviously don't like just letting players go. I can never understand why we keep Forecast. Surely better to pay him off and let him go.

Having said that, I can understand the club's point of view as well. I like the fact that we're not wasting money even if it is "only" £50,000. In our admin year we gave a lot of players away in a bid to keep the wage bill down. Some are still playing in the Premier League today. I know we are in a different position now but, look after the pennies etc...
 
Saints Fan4Life said:
It's already been reported Yeovil couldn't sign him because his wages were too high following promotion even though Dickson never made a League appearence
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I see well that is abit silly of him then. Still if he wants out let him go it makes economic sense even if he goes for nothing
 
Wonder how much promotion meant financially to the team. Not suggesting that was their driving force, but one commentator remarked at the time that bonuses for promotion would be sizeable. Also probably resulted in automatic pay rise...hence the Dickson conundrum.
 
TBD said:
I see well that is abit silly of him then. Still if he wants out let him go it makes economic sense even if he goes for nothing
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the problem with that approach is we then may get a more valuable player who wants to go or is tapped up and then what do we say? Cortese will be running this like a business and won't let the player dictate. The only thing I can see as "unfair" from the club would be if his transfer fee is set too high. If they "let him go", they need to pay up his contract and if there is a club willing to take him, then he gets the pay-off and walks into another contract. Life isn't like that and a club should be a "sensible" fee for him.

In my eyes, (can't remember exact numbers) if we paid Brentford 200k for him, the club may well value him now at 300k (just for example and take into account that increased wages mean increased value too), so if a club offer 50-100k, that is too low against the asset value and the club are right to ask for more. If someone offered the original purchase fee or close too, then the club would be perhaps wrong to hold out for more as he has not been an active first team member. However, to let him just go when he is a valued asset does not make sense.
 
fran-MLs little camera said:
Wonder how much promotion meant financially to the team. Not suggesting that was their driving force, but one commentator remarked at the time that bonuses for promotion would be sizeable. Also probably resulted in automatic pay rise...hence the Dickson conundrum.
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don't know when Dickson signed contracts, but probably include a % increase for promotion.... he's had two promotions, hence two possible increases. it is tough for him, but i wonder if he ever thought of turning down the pay rises to keep his value down??
 
fran-MLs little camera said:
Would you?
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Fran, I am regularly in my boss' office saying, "listen boss, I have spent a little too much time on not606 this month and maybe I have not been your star performer. I am thinking maybe 10% knocked of my wages this month? What do you think boss?"

However, there is sometimes a thought that says he should perhaps sit down with the club and say that it isn't working out and he doesn't feel that he has a future and what are the options. They may say a number of things:

1. Actually, we think you are close to the first team - he should then be motivated to work harder in training and hope that chance comes his way

2. You are right Mr Dickson, you aren't going to feature - you are valued at "x"; as soon as a club offers that, you can go

If his salary is the issue for other clubs, then he could ask for a change in his current contract and value to help the move happen quicker.
 
Or a loan where we pay part of his wages. Reduces our wage bill a little and keeps him out there on the market. Suspect that Saints are just trying to edge him to the door and hope he jumps through without compo...not nice, but business.
 
fatletiss said:
don't know when Dickson signed contracts, but probably include a % increase for promotion.... he's had two promotions, hence two possible increases. it is tough for him, but i wonder if he ever thought of turning down the pay rises to keep his value down??
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Why would he do that? Surely it's more sensible to take the pay-rise when it comes and then accept a lower salary at another club if you want to move.

fatletiss said:
the problem with that approach is we then may get a more valuable player who wants to go or is tapped up and then what do we say? Cortese will be running this like a business and won't let the player dictate. The only thing I can see as "unfair" from the club would be if his transfer fee is set too high. If they "let him go", they need to pay up his contract and if there is a club willing to take him, then he gets the pay-off and walks into another contract. Life isn't like that and a club should be a "sensible" fee for him.

In my eyes, (can't remember exact numbers) if we paid Brentford 200k for him, the club may well value him now at 300k (just for example and take into account that increased wages mean increased value too), so if a club offer 50-100k, that is too low against the asset value and the club are right to ask for more. If someone offered the original purchase fee or close too, then the club would be perhaps wrong to hold out for more as he has not been an active first team member. However, to let him just go when he is a valued asset does not make sense.
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We only paid £125k for him, it was set by a tribunal. Since we evidently have no intention of playing him, a reasonable fee would probably be £75k. Let's be honest, he's not a valued asset and taking a slight hit on his very small transfer fee would not hurt the club. In fact it seems to me that we've already got all the value out of him that we're going to get. Keeping him now is just wasting money on his wages.
 
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