Off Topic Dining out tomorrow...

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I watched the 1:00 p.m. BBC1 News earlier, and they had a couple of minutes or so of footage of several pubs with outside service and showed the lineups outside shops in various spots in London I presume?

It appeared to me that there were many a group of up to 8 people sitting at the same table supping together, basically shoulder-to-shoulder, no masks and only a yard away from the people sitting opposite. Hardly anyone over the 35-40 age group. All the ones who haven't been vaccinated yet.

Get a couple of punters who are carrying the virus among 'em, despite being outside with a slight breeze, surely the bloody thing will spread like wildfire? Puzzling rules/controls if you ask me!
It's alarming but at the same time lots of places will be nowhere as crowded as the places (mostly in London, Manchester) they show on the news. I guess we'll find out in 3 or 4 weeks time if they all turn up at A&E coughing their heads off.
I've got my second jab in a fortnight so I'm (mostly) staying at home until then. Hopefully things might have settled a bit by then so I'll have a few outings.
 
It's alarming but at the same time lots of places will be nowhere as crowded as the places (mostly in London, Manchester) they show on the news. I guess we'll find out in 3 or 4 weeks time if they all turn up at A&E coughing their heads off.
I've got my second jab in a fortnight so I'm (mostly) staying at home until then. Hopefully things might have settled a bit by then so I'll have a few outings.

Go to the pub straight after the jab. That way you can blame any outrageous behaviour or next day after effects on the injection. <ok>

There's no charge for this advice.
 
I'm not a great fan of councils in general but without seeing these places it's hard to say who's right.

You can guarantee some publicans will be pushing their luck and the council inspectors have got to judge that.

That’s no doubt true, but they’ve known the pubs were opening outside since February and they decide two days before the reopening to issue new guidelines and block some from reopening.

It’s been badly handled, however justified the restrictions are.
 
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I went here last night (Cave Bar & Kitchen), probably for the last time, as yesterday their planning appeal failed and it’s probably now going to close (the whole outdoor area definitely has to close).
 
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I went here last night (Cave Bar & Kitchen), probably for the last time, as yesterday their planning appeal failed and it’s probably now going to close (the whole outdoor area definitely has to close).

Looks a nice job. What a criminal waste having to close it. What's the problem?
 
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I went here last night (Cave Bar & Kitchen), probably for the last time, as yesterday their planning appeal failed and it’s probably now going to close (the whole outdoor area definitely has to close).

As that's in the out of boundary suburbs, that suggests it's the rulings, or at least the pubs interpretation of them, rather than the Councils.
 
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Looks a nice job. What a criminal waste having to close it. What's the problem?

They built it without planning and tried to get it retrospectively, but they received too many complaints from local residents.

To be fair, they messed up when they opened it in the summer. It was a full on party atmosphere in there, with loud music etc, their retrospective planning guaranteed only background music and that they'd close at 8.00pm, but by then, they'd already pissed off all the locals.
 
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This one has absolutely nothing to do with COVID rules, it's purely a planning permission issue.

My mistake, I assumed given the topic, you were implying that it was a similar issue. It doesn't change the general point I made.
 
So the Council bent over backwards to help the Minerva open up asap, despite the pub's inability to comply with Covid and planning rules. I'm sure everyone on this thread will join me in adding their congratulations to Hull City Council for their excellent work here.
They've had a lot of flak over it and there are local elections looming up but at least some common sense has been shown.
See if they do a U turn on the cycle lanes any time soon eh ?
 
They've had a lot of flak over it and there are local elections looming up but at least some common sense has been shown.
See if they do a U turn on the cycle lanes any time soon eh ?
Boris Johnson's personal policy on cycle lanes? Doubt it.
 
That's not strictly true. Johnson backed the basic concept, but how that was applied had a lot of lee-way for locals included. Not all council's went for it, and quite a few have taken some back out after listening to local concerns.
You are talking about temporary schemes funded last year during the first lockdown. I'm talking about the "Gear Change" National Cycling Strategy for permanent investment in cycling and walking.
 
So the Council bent over backwards to help the Minerva open up asap, despite the pub's inability to comply with Covid and planning rules. I'm sure everyone on this thread will join me in adding their congratulations to Hull City Council for their excellent work here.
I was in there on Sunday I got a drink and sat outside .
With the sea defence work going on theres not a lot of room at the moment as the usual outdoor seating area is a building site .
The table benches are on the edge of the pavement and it a bit tight .
Might have been the issue maybe ?
 
You are talking about temporary schemes funded last year during the first lockdown. I'm talking about the "Gear Change" National Cycling Strategy for permanent investment in cycling and walking.

Councils have their own walking and cycling strategies which may or may not be based on the national view, and should always be aimed at the local situation.
 
You are talking about temporary schemes funded last year during the first lockdown. I'm talking about the "Gear Change" National Cycling Strategy for permanent investment in cycling and walking.
Permanent cycling and walking lanes/tracks yes, not simply and cheaply, cordoning off a lane on a main road and calling it a cycle lane as they have done in Hull. Also the trial period is over and they have not been a success so why are they still there ?