Dele Interview

[young2077]

You can argue all you like mate, I don't have a problem with it.

I only have a problem with people when they argue, feel they've lost the argument so start getting personal with me.

I'm only suspicious of Dele, not saying he's blagging at this stage ...

... time will tell.

I'm I turn out to be wrong I'll apologise.

Fair enough mate. I meant more didn't want to seem like I was becoming personal by saying it's a generation thing how we look at things.

He could be doing a interview in an attempt to save career when he is realising he has ****ed it. But I get feel like he has genuine reasons to be a bit messed up.

Like I say I agree he has rushed or maybe been rushed into doing an interview.

I don't think we can judge him on this by him turning his career around either. He could still be genuine but not be able to turn that around etc...

One thing we can judge him on imo if he turns a corner with the off the field stuff, now I knew nothing about him drinking or drugs so anyway. But use a another example Gazza, it seems everytime he ****s up and is in trouble with the law he has issues he needs help with checks into rehab and this time is going to be different until it all blows over and he goes back to drinking etc... until next time he needs an excuse. I'll never have sympathy for Gazza he has had enough attempts to change and help from plenty of parties over the years if he genuinely wanted to change he would have.

I just don't feel like we can judge Dele yet. He has highlighted that his childhood was ****, he has used drink and drugs to numb himself to that and is saying he wants tk change. Lets see.

P.s If he is genuine I think we are the type of club he could turn it around at.

 

[Smug in Boots]

Fair enough mate. I meant more didn't want to seem like I was becoming personal by saying it's a generation thing how we look at things.

He could be doing a interview in an attempt to save career when he is realising he has ****ed it. But I get feel like he has genuine reasons to be a bit messed up.

Like I say I agree he has rushed or maybe been rushed into doing an interview.

I don't think we can judge him on this by him turning his career around either. He could still be genuine but not be able to turn that around etc...

One thing we can judge him on imo if he turns a corner with the off the field stuff, now I knew nothing about him drinking or drugs so anyway. But use a another example Gazza, it seems everytime he ****s up and is in trouble with the law he has issues he needs help with checks into rehab and this time is going to be different until it all blows over and he goes back to drinking etc... until next time he needs an excuse. I'll never have sympathy for Gazza he has had enough attempts to change and help from plenty of parties over the years if he genuinely wanted to change he would have.

I just don't feel like we can judge Dele yet. He has highlighted that his childhood was ****, he has used drink and drugs to numb himself to that and is saying he wants tk change. Lets see.

P.s If he is genuine I think we are the type of club he could turn it around at.

After what Mowbray has done at Sunderland I'd be happy to send my only son there tbh ...

... he's an absolutely brilliant man manager imo.

I've never been more wrong about someone in football tbh..

 

[vic9]

Can totally see where smug and rooch are coming from, likewise came from a pit village in the 60’s with absolutely f*** all,but like they said we just cracked on never looking for excuses or the blame game, which probably now boils my piss when politicians,sportsmen and celebrities whinge,blame and deflect any shortcomings in their lives

 

[young2077]

I have got to say, unless any of you have experienced being molested as a child by an adult who was a friend of a parent, growing up in a pit village with **** all isn't the same thing. And I don't why it keeps getting mentioned in a I went through this and I didn't bitch and moan way!

It's not anywhere near as damaging to your psychological state as being molested as a child would be (molested means sexual assault or abuse so could have been anything from inappropriate touching to rape as far as I understand it and like I have said before he said that this adult was always around that implies to me it went on for some time and was an isolated incident)

Now if I'm not mistaken as I didn't grow up in a pit village in the 60s with **** all but I assume you all grew up with **** all there was a sense of comraderie, you all went through it together?

Now compare that to being a vulnerable child being taken advantage of by adults from those who molested you and when you had no friend to turn to or share those experiences with as your mates weren't going through the same someone else comes along and takes advantage and has you sell drugs for them! Yes he was lucky enough to be adopted by 12 and become a professional footballer but that doesn't erase his past!

 

[vic9]

Watched the Dele Ali documentary and generally felt sorry for him, but the point i was making in a previous post was that his family by all accounts were deprived,what they class as deprived is debatable probably no sky tv,fashion accessories etc, but they turned to drugs and crime for answers where as we went without and struggled on

 

[young2077]

Watched the Dele Ali documentary and generally felt sorry for him, but the point i was making in a previous post was that his family by all accounts were deprived,what they class as deprived is debatable probably no sky tv,fashion accessories etc, but they turned to drugs and crime for answers where as we went without and struggled on

Deprived? His mother was an alcholholic who let random people in the house as long as it was a party. One of them people who she classed as a friend molested her 6 year old son. He never really said he was deprived, he said he was sexually abused and neglected as he didn't really have a parent figure setting rules caring about him etc... so he was able at 8 to turn to selling drugs when it was pushed on him by an older person.

I don't think it's comparable.

 

[vic9]

Deprived? His mother was an alcholholic who let random people in the house as long as it was a party. One of them people who she classed as a friend molested her 6 year old son. He never really said he was deprived, he said he was sexually abused and neglected as he didn't really have a parent figure setting rules caring about him etc... so he was able at 8 to turn to selling drugs when it was pushed on him by an older person.

I don't think it's comparable.

I am talking about his mother not Dele taking the choice of lifestyle when the going gets tough

 

[Montysoptician]

I have got to say, unless any of you have experienced being molested as a child by an adult who was a friend of a parent, growing up in a pit village with **** all isn't the same thing. And I don't why it keeps getting mentioned in a I went through this and I didn't bitch and moan way!

It's not anywhere near as damaging to your psychological state as being molested as a child would be (molested means sexual assault or abuse so could have been anything from inappropriate touching to rape as far as I understand it and like I have said before he said that this adult was always around that implies to me it went on for some time and was an isolated incident)

Now if I'm not mistaken as I didn't grow up in a pit village in the 60s with **** all but I assume you all grew up with **** all there was a sense of comraderie, you all went through it together?

Now compare that to being a vulnerable child being taken advantage of by adults from those who molested you and when you had no friend to turn to or share those experiences with as your mates weren't going through the same someone else comes along and takes advantage and has you sell drugs for them! Yes he was lucky enough to be adopted by 12 and become a professional footballer but that doesn't erase his past!

I did grow up in a pit village in the 50's and 60's and you are right, having nothing shouldn't be conflated with child abuse, great post

 

[Smug in Boots]

I've thought about this and am still not convinced by his story, perhaps I wrong.

I'm just a little cynical that someone who goes from 12 years old to 24, doing great despite his past, should be so affected by it once he's dropped by Mourinho.

Time will tell and I hope he can get back on track.

 

[young2077]

I've thought about this and am still not convinced by his story, perhaps I wrong.

I'm just a little cynical that someone who goes from 12 years old to 24, doing great despite his past, should be so affected by it once he's dropped by Mourinho.

Time will tell and I hope he can get back on track.

I don't think he said he started being affected by it or started on the drink or drugs when dropped by Mourinho. That's the way you have interpreted what has been said, I don't think he said he started on the sleeping pills when dropped.

I have taken it that he started on them as a result of the past and his form was affected and he was dropped as a result. He could have started under Pochetino and got worse over time? We don't know as he didn't go into specifics about any of it.

 

[Oldsandy]

Good post mate.

Sorry to disagree on something, I don't mean to be argumentative, but the media seem to be taking the blame for everything at the moment. I doubt anyone would really make a name for himself by reporting that Dele has had a spell in rehab, he's not exactly big news.

You are correct, it’s not the media that is solely to blame; they go after the stories that sell newspapers, the sort of stuff a large section of the public want to read, and the more salacious the content and the more famous the person, the more interest it generates. In Dele’s case he went public (very brave of him imo) so you can’t blame the media for publishing it and giving a section of the public what they want. If he had announced that he had taken up growing primroses would anyone be interested? The media gives the public what the public wants. And I’m not cynical, honest!

 

[Oldsandy]

I've thought about this and am still not convinced by his story, perhaps I wrong.

I'm just a little cynical that someone who goes from 12 years old to 24, doing great despite his past, should be so affected by it once he's dropped by Mourinho.

Time will tell and I hope he can get back on track.

Doing great yes, but living with an ever-present burden. Being sexually molested in childhood may be pushed to the back of your mind, but it never goes away. Maybe being dropped wasn’t the reason, just the trigger. I had a friend who as a 10 year old was persistently sexually molested and humiliated over a period of about a year by a group of his peers. As a man he was quiet, very clever, but never got promoted at work or in the army even though his cleverness and good work was acknowledged. Every once in a while he would, without warning, just blow his top at seemingly nothing. It would be a violent and frightening outburst. I asked him why and he just shrugged and said he’d felt a sudden great anger but didn’t know why. I’m not a psychiatrist but I think it because of what had been done to him. He eventually was sacked and his drinking got out of hand and then he just disappeared from the scene.

 

[Smug in Boots]

Interesting points from you both and only time will really tell.

I'm still in two minds, with this, and it's true there are different ways to interpret things.

The lad has also been vague so we don't know what the abuse entailed, when he because an alcoholic and addict, etc.

I think the timing of this interview is strange and has a bit of a 'come and get me' look about it which is fair enough. He'd have to take a huge drop in wages though and I could only see a loan. Everton are unlikely to risk having to pay out £10m by playing him imo, it's a lot of money for someone who failed to deliver at three clubs recently.

Either way this will push Everton to make a decision then it's up to Dele to get on with playing.