https://www.buryfc.co.uk/news/2019/august/bury-fc-statement-as-further-games-are-suspended/
Looks like theyll no longer exist soon.
Looks like theyll no longer exist soon.
Off Topic Dead and Buryed
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Yes sad isn't it - especially when you think of the dosh sloshing around the premier league
What the EFL are doing in postponing these fixtures is totally unfair both to Bury and the rest of League One.
Fixtures are piling up already and Bury are minus 12 points before they kick a ball.
I don't want clubs to fold but this situation is ridiculous, the EFL should treat them like they did with Darlington and let them rebuild from the minor leagues.
We have four league games where teams have to play catch up and the second round of the Carabo cup is up shortly and Bury haven't played Sheffield Wed in the first round yet.
Another shambles from the governing body in afraid.
Fixtures are piling up already and Bury are minus 12 points before they kick a ball.
I don't want clubs to fold but this situation is ridiculous, the EFL should treat them like they did with Darlington and let them rebuild from the minor leagues.
We have four league games where teams have to play catch up and the second round of the Carabo cup is up shortly and Bury haven't played Sheffield Wed in the first round yet.
Another shambles from the governing body in afraid.
This is just the beginning of the end isn't it ...
... so many clubs are in a mess.
Bury, and other clubs, have tried to comply with stadium regulations and improvements while the likes of Southampton, Portsmouth, Leicester, etc are allowed to manipulate their financial affairs to suit themselves and rip off small businesses. And Portsmouth are also, for some reason, allowed to use a dilapidated ****hole of a stadium year after year.
... so many clubs are in a mess.
Bury, and other clubs, have tried to comply with stadium regulations and improvements while the likes of Southampton, Portsmouth, Leicester, etc are allowed to manipulate their financial affairs to suit themselves and rip off small businesses. And Portsmouth are also, for some reason, allowed to use a dilapidated ****hole of a stadium year after year.
The Football League is actually making it worse suspending games as that’s stopping any income for the club.
The league could support them and cover some costs to get them playing and take it back from gate receipts. Any income better than none.
Bolton are playing games and battling away, with no players. Bury still have players registered.
It’s a crazy, shameful and really ****ing sad situation. I bet there’s a few lads on here with fond memories of a 5-2 win at Bury in one of the promotion campaigns.
The league could support them and cover some costs to get them playing and take it back from gate receipts. Any income better than none.
Bolton are playing games and battling away, with no players. Bury still have players registered.
It’s a crazy, shameful and really ****ing sad situation. I bet there’s a few lads on here with fond memories of a 5-2 win at Bury in one of the promotion campaigns.
Darlo went bust mate. Current team was founded in 2012 under the name Darlington 1883 though the fa has allowed them to retake the old name since but essentially it's a different club
FA/EFL imposed fines and point deductions to add weight to the debt just like they have with Bury.
There’s got to be a reform, it shouldn’t be the clubs that suffer.
The rules should be changed so that any owner knows that any financial wrongdoing, any debts, anything remotely sketchy on the financial side should be pinned to them and not the club. Good owners and sustainable owners, they wouldn’t mind this a bit.
We’ve had many recently, Darlo mentioned, Gateshead, Chester. Bolton nearly went because some **** who’s been banned from football was granted an injunction as he’d been usurped for the sale.
Hearing that Bury player on Talksport really brings it home, I’d imagine that lower league players likely get maybe 50k a year, not a bad living but absolutely one that means mortgages and loans and such. If I wasn’t paid for 6 months I’d be fully ****ed, I can categorically say that.
It’s one thing being a big club like us, we may have issues if we stay down but in reality the club has assets and appeal, it’s tougher for Bury of course but that’s still not to overlook the fact they are a 100 year old part of that towns community. It’s almost a shame to see the ‘class of ‘92’ bankrolling Salford, the Neville’s being a Bury family may have been the kind that helped.
Bolton are the highest profile so far, it’s a matter of time before a championship club hits trouble chasing the Premier League, Derby are already openly flaunting FFP with imaginative, blatantly fraudulent in manner, but cast iron legally untouchable sale of the stadium to the man who owns the club.
I will not go along with people blaming big clubs or Sky. It’s about the monetisation of the game for sure but the blame falls solely at the door of the people who are supposed to vet and check these people before they are allowed to own clubs.
The FA and the Football League.
Lessons were not learned from Pompey, they switched hands numerous times between one idiot and another and it nearly crippled them, FA Cup winners to League 2. Reform was needed then, indeed before then.
The rules should be changed so that any owner knows that any financial wrongdoing, any debts, anything remotely sketchy on the financial side should be pinned to them and not the club. Good owners and sustainable owners, they wouldn’t mind this a bit.
We’ve had many recently, Darlo mentioned, Gateshead, Chester. Bolton nearly went because some **** who’s been banned from football was granted an injunction as he’d been usurped for the sale.
Hearing that Bury player on Talksport really brings it home, I’d imagine that lower league players likely get maybe 50k a year, not a bad living but absolutely one that means mortgages and loans and such. If I wasn’t paid for 6 months I’d be fully ****ed, I can categorically say that.
It’s one thing being a big club like us, we may have issues if we stay down but in reality the club has assets and appeal, it’s tougher for Bury of course but that’s still not to overlook the fact they are a 100 year old part of that towns community. It’s almost a shame to see the ‘class of ‘92’ bankrolling Salford, the Neville’s being a Bury family may have been the kind that helped.
Bolton are the highest profile so far, it’s a matter of time before a championship club hits trouble chasing the Premier League, Derby are already openly flaunting FFP with imaginative, blatantly fraudulent in manner, but cast iron legally untouchable sale of the stadium to the man who owns the club.
I will not go along with people blaming big clubs or Sky. It’s about the monetisation of the game for sure but the blame falls solely at the door of the people who are supposed to vet and check these people before they are allowed to own clubs.
The FA and the Football League.
Lessons were not learned from Pompey, they switched hands numerous times between one idiot and another and it nearly crippled them, FA Cup winners to League 2. Reform was needed then, indeed before then.
If i was rich i would give them a couple of million to help them out, it must be terrible not having a match on a Saturday and worse for the poor players, we could all have a giant whip round outside the grounds in england to see what we can do, maybe a few footballers on £300,000 a week might donate.
Bolton game tomorrow has been postponed v Doncaster over safety concerns for the young players their having to use.
This story is still inviting involving both clubs and it needs bringing to a conclusion very quickly to save the whole division as this is becoming ridiculous.
This story is still inviting involving both clubs and it needs bringing to a conclusion very quickly to save the whole division as this is becoming ridiculous.
The Bolton postponement is not much to do with youth players playing in the first team but more that Bolton are being dicked and they have needed to find an excuse to delay. Suddenly they come up with it being a welfare matter. You are right cumbrianmackem it is ridiculous. Never in the history of the leagues has a club been allowed to postpone a game because of overplaying. The rules are that you fulfill your fixtures virtually no matter what. Every other club has had to do this in the past even if it meant playing the tea lady. With Bury this is 5 league games so far that have been cancelled and you are only in game 4. Next time anyone has a Tuesday fixture away they don't fancy travelling to then I would suggest they just call it off to save the bother. I'm sure another Saturday afternoon will come along somewhere they can play it. Don't get me wrong I do feel sorry for the supporters of these clubs because watching your club go down the pan is not pleasant at all but you cannot move the goalposts each time it suits.
Football is a very strange business - there is no other business in the world where you can live beyond your means without the income to cover it, go bust and largely avoid repaying your creditors (paying 10p in the £ or thereabouts), and then just start again only slightly worse off than before. The sanctions of failure are simply not great enough to stop this happening.
Look at Leicester, they went in to administration, avoided their debts, got a new owner and 3 or 4 years later won the premier league. Everybody knows this and it is partly why going in to administration is more attractive than struggling on.
I get everything about the clubs employees losing their livelihoods but in the real world that happens all the time - my sister lost her job overnight when she worked at Woolworths, she eventually got a new job after struggling for a little while to pay bills, unfortunately it was at BHS so she had to go through it all over again. Also nobody talks about the impact on the creditors that don't get paid when these clubs walk away from their debts - I know somebody whose family firm used to make pies for Boro when they disappeared completely a few years ago, the non-payment of that debt crippled his company and they never recovered from it ultimately having to lay off 20 staff. Administration and CVA's are not a painless exercise on anybody.
A 12 point deduction and a season of struggle is simply not enough of a deterrent, the EFL in particular need to grow a pair and have an automatic one or two division relegation penalty in place for when this happens and give well run clubs the chance to step up instead. The club will still exist and the fans can still go and watch it but they'll definitely take a bigger interest in how the club is being run in future.
Look at Leicester, they went in to administration, avoided their debts, got a new owner and 3 or 4 years later won the premier league. Everybody knows this and it is partly why going in to administration is more attractive than struggling on.
I get everything about the clubs employees losing their livelihoods but in the real world that happens all the time - my sister lost her job overnight when she worked at Woolworths, she eventually got a new job after struggling for a little while to pay bills, unfortunately it was at BHS so she had to go through it all over again. Also nobody talks about the impact on the creditors that don't get paid when these clubs walk away from their debts - I know somebody whose family firm used to make pies for Boro when they disappeared completely a few years ago, the non-payment of that debt crippled his company and they never recovered from it ultimately having to lay off 20 staff. Administration and CVA's are not a painless exercise on anybody.
A 12 point deduction and a season of struggle is simply not enough of a deterrent, the EFL in particular need to grow a pair and have an automatic one or two division relegation penalty in place for when this happens and give well run clubs the chance to step up instead. The club will still exist and the fans can still go and watch it but they'll definitely take a bigger interest in how the club is being run in future.
Does it not also show just how fit and improper the 'fit and proper' ownership tests are?
Look at the two mentioned, the guy at Charlton who tried to sell the club to the EFL. Blackpool with the Oystons.
Look at a lot of the other clubs who have had changes in ownership and then never gotten back to where they were: Blackburn, Pompey, Hull, Coventry to name but a few.
These people show just how lucky other clubs are.
Both us and NUFC have got to look at these situations and think "Thanks **** it's not us" We can whinge about current or previous owners as much as we want, but **** me we're lucky to have ones that are running the club well from a business perspective
Ellis in his early days did back us and did invest. He covered a lot of the losses and obviously wrote off the debt owed to himself when he sold to Donald.
He was running it dangerously close though in the last two seasons when he waved the white flag. He stopped investing, stopped giving a **** and just covered the losses.
Mike Ashley is a saint compared to most of the previously mentioned.
Absolutely agree mate - that said, according to Roker Report (I think!) who spoke with Ellis, he would never have allowed the club to go into administration!
For all his detractors (myself included) Short did a very generous thing in writing off the debt. Left us in a decent position to start over without the headache Bolton and Bury are facing
Ellis Short gave it his best shot, and paid a heavy price, the same cant be said for a lot of those he employed.
No your right Drum, I can see both clubs dropping out of our league and as the EFL have allowed them to start the season it'll be interesting to see how this all pans out.
Do they put them bottom, as they are already with their points penalty and relegate them at the end of the season without completing their fixtures and cancel the results that teams have already had against Bolton, or is there an alternative I'm just not sure how this is going to end up. Sad for all those involved with both clubs.