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Can we stop comparing This Red Bull nonsense with Hull Tigers? Horrific tradition bastardisation aside, the way those teams make money from their names is totally different from what Allam is proposing Hull Tigers will do. Those teams are named for advertising purposes after huge global companies who sell an actual product that people consume all of the time. If sales of Red Bull increase, there is actual, tangible revenue to invest in the club. However, Hull Tigers does not work in this sense, because Dr. Allam does not sell Tigers.

Hull Tigers is pointless, and would make City £0. It would be selling out for nothing. It's such a **** idea, that even renaming the club Allam Marine FC would stand to make the club more money.
 
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Vaslav said:
There ARE ways around this. It's a matter of if Dr. Allam can be bothered. I reckon the club will eventually end up in the state that he found it ... maybe a bit better off ... but the novelty of the KC will wear off ... the fact is, if someone started a club called Hull Tigers, the FA would not refuse them membership. There's a team called Whitehawk ..... in the Conference system, something like "Red Bull Leipzig" will eventually happen in the UK .... I can't see how the FA can stop it .... Burntisland Shipyard FC ... a trade name ... a brand .... historically, hull Comet changed their name to Hull City ... there was Hull Brunswick ... which was also a brand name ..... Riley was a car manufacturer ... also a school .... Bristol cars ....... I liked Boothferry Park but accepted a new ground was perhaps a better alternative to renovating fer ark ..... and I understand the affection and pride for the name Hull City but if tweaking of club names for commercial reasons is going to happen anyway, I'd rather Hull City did it first and got a load of benefit than be the last ones to do it .... it might be different if we were guaranteed a grant for keeping the name Hull City ..... Dr. allam god bless him, wants to have a pop at muscling in on the territory Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea et al think they own .... I like that ... I like it we have a chairman with an "I don't care who the big clubs think they are ... were going after them" .... I really like that .... I wish more fans shared that ambition for the club ... like anything else ... it's a punt ... maybe a dream as well ..... but I admire his spirit ... he doesn't see limitations, he sees possibilities .... Hull City's nickname is one of the few things it has going for it .... other clubs have owners richer than ours, bigger catchment areas, bigger grounds, wealthier fans, wealthier local businesses, higher profiles, better communications ... what do City have? I very nice but small stadium .... which means the cost of buying and paying players to even keep the club in the Premier League has to be shared amongst a smaller number of fans paying higher ticket prices .... a club in that situation needs all the help it can get ..... if Dr. Allam had Abramovitch's money, he wouldn't be bothered about re-branding ... the big clubs already are brands and would never re-brand themselves .... Hull City is a club aspiring to be a brand and perhaps defining that brand with a view to the future is a smart move .... and, as I keep saying, the name can always be changed back if we find sponsors don't need the Tigers connection anymore .... a bit like John Lydon .... he used the brand Johnny Rotten until it had served its purpose then reverted back to his real name ....
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Bristol cars...Were the two Bristol clubs named after them? :biggrin:Clubs had the names of works were they played and then altered them as football clubs came to represent a whole area. The immediate name prior to Hull City was Hull AFC.
Anyone who describes a football club as a brand and thinks it can be altered on a whim wants shooting.

If AA had Abramovich's money he would still want to alter the name. He thinks it is lousy and says he wouldn't have
bought the club if he had known they were Hull City and not Hull City Tigers (another example of a man with a CV he constantly boasts about being surprisingly I'll-informed due to a lack of research). The only difference being he could with all that money fulfil his threat of moving the ground outside the city boundaries.
 
I'mBetterThanYouIWentTo.. said:
Cheers OLM a much more considered response than DMD, no surprise there, I'm as against the name change as most; but the constant battering of others opinions without any attempt to back up or evidence the abuse doesn't achieve much.

I'd hope that the two post above from OLM evidencing the negative take on the name from those conneted to business and not the club will have a greater impact on those in favour than people just calling them ****s?
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It's all been done before many times on here , people in favour of a name change tend to just ignore it and repeat that it might be a good idea anyway because Mr Allam said so
 
I'mBetterThanYouIWentTo.. said:
Sorry you're right - it was your argument wasn't it; please accept my apologies.
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i mentioned it but it wasn't an argument for or against the name change. it was part of an example of a situation when someone wouldn't be eternally grateful to another person.
 
I'mBetterThanYouIWentTo.. said:
Cheers OLM a much more considered response than DMD, no surprise there, I'm as against the name change as most; but the constant battering of others opinions without any attempt to back up or evidence the abuse doesn't achieve much.

I'd hope that the two post above from OLM evidencing the negative take on the name from those conneted to business and not the club will have a greater impact on those in favour than people just calling them ****s?
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I do hope that's aimed at the likes of vaslav and not just you making some attempt at battering an opinion with no attempt to back it up. <laugh>
 
Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
I do hope that's aimed at the likes of vaslav and not just you making some attempt at battering an opinion with no attempt to back it up. <laugh>
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Sadly Vaslav's been less agressive than others - he's wrong no question about that but treating him like a **** just because he doesn't agree with you is pretty low.

He's arguing a ****ty argument but at least he's giving it a go.
 
I'mBetterThanYouIWentTo.. said:
Sadly Vaslav's been less agressive than others - he's wrong no question about that but treating him like a **** just because he doesn't agree with you is pretty low.

He's arguing a ****ty argument but at least he's giving it a go.
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Who has treat him like a ****? He's posted absolute nonsense and ignored many replies that show it as nonsense. In that regard I think he's been treat patiently.

However, my question was aimed at your pithy comment about me.
 
Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
Who has treat him like a ****? He's posted absolute nonsense and ignored many replies that show it as nonsense. In that regard I think he's been treat patiently.

However, my question was aimed at your pithy comment about me.
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Sorry you didn't highlight the pithy bit about you hence why I didn't cover it off.

I asked a simple question about where the expert analysis had come from, not to make you look small, not be difficult but because on this thread, and others, it hadn't been fully covered. Instead every thread falls back to "I say/we say" the result being folk like Vaslav not understanding your argument or where the opposition comes from.

OLM didn't go massively on the defensive but instead posted the necessary gumpf - you however just got your back up looking for another fight that wasn't there.

That's all apologies for upsetting you like.
 
I'mBetterThanYouIWentTo.. said:
Sorry you didn't highlight the pithy bit about you hence why I didn't cover it off.

I asked a simple question about where the expert analysis had come from, not to make you look small, not be difficult but because on this thread, and others, it hadn't been fully covered. Instead every thread falls back to "I say/we say" the result being folk like Vaslav not understanding your argument or where the opposition comes from.

OLM didn't go massively on the defensive but instead posted the necessary gumpf - you however just got your back up looking for another fight that wasn't there.

That's all apologies for upsetting you like.
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I'm not in th eleast upset, just dissapointed that somebody would jump in with a question that's been answered numerous times. OLM will have it to hand, I don't, hence me suggesting you do some work of your own in finding it, rather than expecting others to educate you.

It's not "we say they say", it's simple, clear documented facts posted several times for all to read.

Sorry of that upsets you. :emoticon-0114-dull:
 
Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
I'm not in th eleast upset, just dissapointed that somebody would jump in with a question that's been answered numerous times. OLM will have it to hand, I don't, hence me suggesting you do some work of your own in finding it, rather than expecting others to educate you.

It's not "we say they say", it's simple, clear documented facts posted several times for all to read.

Sorry of that upsets you. :emoticon-0114-dull:
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Apology accepted.
 
I think I've bought my last pair of Adidas trainers.

Bummers has got me thinking about it with his post.

It's the end of era.

I am now officially old.
 
Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
I'm not in th eleast upset, just dissapointed that somebody would jump in with a question that's been answered numerous times. OLM will have it to hand, I don't, hence me suggesting you do some work of your own in finding it, rather than expecting others to educate you.

It's not "we say they say", it's simple, clear documented facts posted several times for all to read.

Sorry of that upsets you. :emoticon-0114-dull:
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Most of your clear documented facts are actually claims from "in the know" people. Realistically how many on here have actually seen the papers with the details in person. Or heard the conversations in person. Most people are just trusting some of the forum members close to the club and taking their word for fact.
 
Wade Wilson said:
Most of your clear documented facts are actually claims from "in the know" people. Realistically how many on here have actually seen the papers with the details in person. Or heard the conversations in person. Most people are just trusting some of the forum members close to the club and taking their word for fact.
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Most have seen them if they wanted to, as many are available on the web, as are a number of the interviews. I trust very few people, I tend to look into things and make my own decisions.

Now, if you couch your question at those claiming the name change is a good idea, you may have a point.
 
Vaslav said:
There ARE ways around this. It's a matter of if Dr. Allam can be bothered. I reckon the club will eventually end up in the state that he found it ... maybe a bit better off ... but the novelty of the KC will wear off ... the fact is, if someone started a club called Hull Tigers, the FA would not refuse them membership. There's a team called Whitehawk ..... in the Conference system, something like "Red Bull Leipzig" will eventually happen in the UK .... I can't see how the FA can stop it .... Burntisland Shipyard FC ... a trade name ... a brand .... historically, hull Comet changed their name to Hull City ... there was Hull Brunswick ... which was also a brand name ..... Riley was a car manufacturer ... also a school .... Bristol cars ....... I liked Boothferry Park but accepted a new ground was perhaps a better alternative to renovating fer ark ..... and I understand the affection and pride for the name Hull City but if tweaking of club names for commercial reasons is going to happen anyway, I'd rather Hull City did it first and got a load of benefit than be the last ones to do it .... it might be different if we were guaranteed a grant for keeping the name Hull City ..... Dr. allam god bless him, wants to have a pop at muscling in on the territory Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea et al think they own .... I like that ... I like it we have a chairman with an "I don't care who the big clubs think they are ... were going after them" .... I really like that .... I wish more fans shared that ambition for the club ... like anything else ... it's a punt ... maybe a dream as well ..... but I admire his spirit ... he doesn't see limitations, he sees possibilities .... Hull City's nickname is one of the few things it has going for it .... other clubs have owners richer than ours, bigger catchment areas, bigger grounds, wealthier fans, wealthier local businesses, higher profiles, better communications ... what do City have? I very nice but small stadium .... which means the cost of buying and paying players to even keep the club in the Premier League has to be shared amongst a smaller number of fans paying higher ticket prices .... a club in that situation needs all the help it can get ..... if Dr. Allam had Abramovitch's money, he wouldn't be bothered about re-branding ... the big clubs already are brands and would never re-brand themselves .... Hull City is a club aspiring to be a brand and perhaps defining that brand with a view to the future is a smart move .... and, as I keep saying, the name can always be changed back if we find sponsors don't need the Tigers connection anymore .... a bit like John Lydon .... he used the brand Johnny Rotten until it had served its purpose then reverted back to his real name ....
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You don't have write some garbage. Lets's start.
Why have you mentioned Whitehawk FC. They play in an area of east Brighton amazingly called Whitehawk.
Burntisland Shipyard Fc were formed in 1919 by the shipyard workers as an offshoot of their social club. The Company contributed nothing plus it was nearly 100 years ago when football was not long out of it's infancy and virtually anything was ok.
Hull Comet did not become Hull City. Hull Comet disbanded at the end of the 1903-04 season Hull City were not founded till June 1904 albeit with some former members of Hull Comet. I suggest you read Now Tigers! The Early History of Hull City by Nicholas Turner for more info.
I do not know were you get the idea that Hull Brunswick were somehow connected to a company. I used to go watch them in the 1960's when City were not playing, an added bonus being you could watch from the the side of Holderness Road for nothing. My failing memory seems to think that they were formed by members of the Brunswick Methodist Chapel on Holderness Road though I could be wrong.
God knows why you mentioned the Riley and Bristol car companies. Your mind must work in a weird and wonderful way! The only club I know that had it's roots associated with a motor company are Coventry City who were iniially called Singers FC and were formed by an employee of the said company though at the time they only manufactured cycles. I now turn to Bristol Cars. Bristol Cars were formed in 1945 as an offshoot of the Bristol Aircraft Company who were famous for producing the Beaufighter fighter aircraft in WW2. Seeing as Bristol City were formed in 1897 (originally Bristol South End) and Bristol Rovers in 1883 (originally Black Arabs FC) I cannot see how a niche car manufacturer formed in 1945 producing a handful of cars can can have formed either football club.
By the way. Stop referring to Allam senior as a doctor. It is an honorary title which strictly speaking could be used by the person it was awarded to but I know of no other person awarded an honorary doctorate that uses the title. Mind you I don't not know anybody else with an efo as big as Allam senior. I have a friend who spent many years of research before she was awarded her PhD but she never ever uses the title in everyday life.
Finally I cannot make up my mind whether you are WUM, or just incredibly stupid.
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Wade Wilson said:
Most of your clear documented facts are actually claims from "in the know" people. Realistically how many on here have actually seen the papers with the details in person. Or heard the conversations in person. Most people are just trusting some of the forum members close to the club and taking their word for fact.
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With regard to the papers that confirm the Hull Tigers sponsorship deal, nobody has seen them, including the Allam's, as they're completely made up. As for the hearing the conversation(specifically with regard to the council being the prime motivator in this name change nonsense), there were twelve of us, though others have also been told privately, including bizarrely, the football authorities.
 
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