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The point is it's a very low number for wht you are achieving and CTWD cannot deny that it's a disappointment.
It's irrelevant how many there are in the "pro" camp because that is not the current fight. The Pro camp is AA and he holds all the cards.
There doesn't need to be a "pro" campaign.
The point is it's a minority in contrast to Hull city fans as a whole. You clearly seem hell bent on ignoring those sat in the middle, who don't want a name change but don't want to instigate any subsequent harm to the club. That is the true majority.
It's irrelevant how many there are in the "pro" camp because that is not the current fight. The Pro camp is AA and he holds all the cards.
There doesn't need to be a "pro" campaign.
The point is it's a minority in contrast to Hull city fans as a whole. You clearly seem hell bent on ignoring those sat in the middle, who don't want a name change but don't want to instigate any subsequent harm to the club. That is the true majority.
Well, all except the Ace's. The PL and FA seem to be holding those.
But you're ignoring his main point, which is ultimately correct.
The majority of the fans are against the name change, just because they can't be arsed to do anything about it, doesn't mean we shouldn't continue to act to give them the result they actually want. I realise some think AA has done enough to be allowed to do what he likes, but even they are generally against the name change.
I agree totally, many if not all fans are against the name change. However, some City fans think it is their right to keep the name the same, when ultimately and unfortunately, it is AA's right to change the name if he pleases.
Nope, just to some people's selective intrepretation of facts.
The key part is the one I highlighted, it's not Mr Allam's decision to make. Any vote/consultation should decide which intrepreation's correct. Until then, the CTWD committee seems to be the one having the success.
Hull City fans who were told they could: “Die when they want,” are fighting to keep their club’s name.
Hull City AFC’s 3-1 victory over Liverpool on Sunday was a significant one.
Not only did it boost hopes of Premier League survival, but it also represented the club’s first ever win over Liverpool in their 109 year history.
Yet amidst the elation there was a clear air of discontent at the KC stadium.
Earlier that week, Hull’s owner Dr Assem Allam had caused outrage when he suggested supporters could: “Die when they want.”
This was as a response to fans protesting against Allam’s intention to change the club’s name to Hull Tigers – something he suggested in an interview with The Guardian on September 12th could be done by next year.
Allam wants to change Hull’s name in order to help him exploit Far Eastern markets and revenue streams which are currently out of reach.
The idea has been met with consternation by Hull supporters, who are now fighting to rescue the club’s history and heritage.
The potential name change has provided an unwelcome distraction for Hull in what is only their third ever season in the top-flight.
They aren’t the only club who have had a potentially enjoyable foray into the Premier League tarnished by its owners.
Cardiff City’s first season in the top division for over 50 years has been spoilt by Vincent Tan turning the Blue Birds into the Red Dragons.
It leaves supporters in a precarious position. Should they bite their tongue and allow the likes of Allam and Tan to bastardise the club’s traditions if it means a level of success far surpassing anything they have enjoyed before?
This is particularly evident at Hull, who have Allam to thank for their recent success after bailing the club out and wiping a £30 Million debt in 2010.
So while many fans are up in arms about the name change, some are also cautious about upsetting Allam too much – something highlighted by the Official Hull City Supporters Club’s refusal to discuss their stance on the issue.
Other supporters however, the ones told by Allam they could die and who were also branded as “hooligans” and a “militant minority”, are fighting to keep their name.
‘City Till We Die’ is a newly-formed group campaigning to: “Protect the historic Hull City AFC identity.”
Andy Dalton, a member of ‘City Till We Die’ said: “The City Till We Die campaign began when a number of Hull City supporters’ organisations, fanzines and websites coalesced in response to the club’s plans to change the club’s historic name of Hull City AFC to Hull Tigers.”
Since being formed, ‘City Till We Die’ have gone from strength to strength – starting from humble beginnings handing out leaflets and badges at home games through to featuring in local, national and international media. Their greatest success to date, according to Dalton, has come through opening a dialogue with the FA and Premier League who have stated their preference for any change of name to be subject to consultation with supporters.
A petition against the re-naming has gathered nearly 7,000 signatures. Fans have also been encouraged to sing ‘I’m City Till I die’ on 19 minutes 4 seconds in reference to the year the club was founded.
The Football Supporters Federation has been vocal in its backing, and a spokesperson said: “The FSF absolutely backs Hull City fans in their fight to defend their club’s name and tradition. No club should make such a fundamental decision without first properly consulting its fan base. Hull City fans are running a great campaign and have shown a lot of respect towards the club’s owner in the face of provocation.”
Kevin Rye, a spokesperson for Supporters Direct, suggests that the reaction of Hull supporters is symbolic of a wider shift in the game which is seeing a new group of fans emerge who are beginning to question the rights of owners to be able to do whatever they want.
“What we are seeing with the likes of Hull, as well as Cardiff and Newcastle, is a wave of generally younger supporters who are trying to rediscover a relationship with their club that has been ignored for a long time.”
“Football is much more than just a consumer experience. Fans are beginning to see that not only is there a need to challenge what owners do but also to offer an alternative. The only way supporters can influence changes in their club is to be involved in decision making,” he said.
Rye also feels that protests like that of ‘City Till We Die’ can only take you to a certain point in the journey towards changing something – and potentially achieving ownership or part-ownership. “While price is a permanent stumbling-block, there seems to be an increasing desire to turn protest into something meaningful.”
For now however, the priority for ‘City Till We Die’ and Hull fans is to fight to keep their name.
Hull City AFC don’t intend to die anytime soon.
http://onthejib.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/no-to-hull-tigers/
Hull City AFC’s 3-1 victory over Liverpool on Sunday was a significant one.
Not only did it boost hopes of Premier League survival, but it also represented the club’s first ever win over Liverpool in their 109 year history.
Yet amidst the elation there was a clear air of discontent at the KC stadium.
Earlier that week, Hull’s owner Dr Assem Allam had caused outrage when he suggested supporters could: “Die when they want.”
This was as a response to fans protesting against Allam’s intention to change the club’s name to Hull Tigers – something he suggested in an interview with The Guardian on September 12th could be done by next year.
Allam wants to change Hull’s name in order to help him exploit Far Eastern markets and revenue streams which are currently out of reach.
The idea has been met with consternation by Hull supporters, who are now fighting to rescue the club’s history and heritage.
The potential name change has provided an unwelcome distraction for Hull in what is only their third ever season in the top-flight.
They aren’t the only club who have had a potentially enjoyable foray into the Premier League tarnished by its owners.
Cardiff City’s first season in the top division for over 50 years has been spoilt by Vincent Tan turning the Blue Birds into the Red Dragons.
It leaves supporters in a precarious position. Should they bite their tongue and allow the likes of Allam and Tan to bastardise the club’s traditions if it means a level of success far surpassing anything they have enjoyed before?
This is particularly evident at Hull, who have Allam to thank for their recent success after bailing the club out and wiping a £30 Million debt in 2010.
So while many fans are up in arms about the name change, some are also cautious about upsetting Allam too much – something highlighted by the Official Hull City Supporters Club’s refusal to discuss their stance on the issue.
Other supporters however, the ones told by Allam they could die and who were also branded as “hooligans” and a “militant minority”, are fighting to keep their name.
‘City Till We Die’ is a newly-formed group campaigning to: “Protect the historic Hull City AFC identity.”
Andy Dalton, a member of ‘City Till We Die’ said: “The City Till We Die campaign began when a number of Hull City supporters’ organisations, fanzines and websites coalesced in response to the club’s plans to change the club’s historic name of Hull City AFC to Hull Tigers.”
Since being formed, ‘City Till We Die’ have gone from strength to strength – starting from humble beginnings handing out leaflets and badges at home games through to featuring in local, national and international media. Their greatest success to date, according to Dalton, has come through opening a dialogue with the FA and Premier League who have stated their preference for any change of name to be subject to consultation with supporters.
A petition against the re-naming has gathered nearly 7,000 signatures. Fans have also been encouraged to sing ‘I’m City Till I die’ on 19 minutes 4 seconds in reference to the year the club was founded.
The Football Supporters Federation has been vocal in its backing, and a spokesperson said: “The FSF absolutely backs Hull City fans in their fight to defend their club’s name and tradition. No club should make such a fundamental decision without first properly consulting its fan base. Hull City fans are running a great campaign and have shown a lot of respect towards the club’s owner in the face of provocation.”
Kevin Rye, a spokesperson for Supporters Direct, suggests that the reaction of Hull supporters is symbolic of a wider shift in the game which is seeing a new group of fans emerge who are beginning to question the rights of owners to be able to do whatever they want.
“What we are seeing with the likes of Hull, as well as Cardiff and Newcastle, is a wave of generally younger supporters who are trying to rediscover a relationship with their club that has been ignored for a long time.”
“Football is much more than just a consumer experience. Fans are beginning to see that not only is there a need to challenge what owners do but also to offer an alternative. The only way supporters can influence changes in their club is to be involved in decision making,” he said.
Rye also feels that protests like that of ‘City Till We Die’ can only take you to a certain point in the journey towards changing something – and potentially achieving ownership or part-ownership. “While price is a permanent stumbling-block, there seems to be an increasing desire to turn protest into something meaningful.”
For now however, the priority for ‘City Till We Die’ and Hull fans is to fight to keep their name.
Hull City AFC don’t intend to die anytime soon.
http://onthejib.wordpress.com/2013/12/05/no-to-hull-tigers/
You're ignoring the point.
OSC - 10 years, 1800 members and that figure stopped increasing long ago.
CTWD - 2 weeks, 870ish members according to OLM, I'm assuming that will be still increasing too.
How can that be seen as a failure? They're got more than half of the people who are willing to sign up to something to support the club in just two weeks, with only an online presence.
Them's the rules of the club he signed up to. Haven't you been paying attention?
It really isn't his decision to make, the FA and PL have made that very clear.
I'm pretty sure it's his decision to make, otherwise we wouldn't be in this mess. The FA and PL authorise the name change. But, unless I'm mistaken, it is AA's decision to change the name? If it isn't, I think you're getting angry at the wrong man.
I'm not angry with anyone, and the campaign took the issue to the decision makers before the Arsenal match.
It really, really isn't his decision to make.
You seem pretty angry to be as defensive as you are.
You seem to be missing my point. Unless I'm mistaken, AA has made the decision to change the name, correct? That decision has to be approved by various authorities, correct? If the name change goes ahead, who ultimately has changed the name, in your eyes? The FA?