Critchley gone

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Saff said:
<laugh>

Outside of England not many folk will have heard of teams like Sunderland and QPR. More so QPR, tbh. Everyone in Europe will know who Glasgow Rangers are. They've just made a European final.

Most deluded board I've read in a long time <doh>
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I think the context is important. If he'd moved from QPR to Rangers normally, fine, they're offering more money and we'd all move jobs for a significant pay rise.

The thing that annoyed QPR fans was him going for and then turning down the Wolves job, professing loyalty, and then going to Rangers. Wolves are surely offering more money than Rangers and the PL is a much much bigger deal than the SPL, even if you're a non-European team. Hence many SPL players or managers making the move to non-European PL clubs. No player is going to pick Rangers over Everton because they get to play in the CL qualifying rounds.

So the fairer comparison is Wolves to Rangers, not QPR.
 
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Stroller said:
Much of the criticism of Critchley has been about the way he speaks, which I find somewhat pathetic - childish, you might say.

He's plainly failed and it's probably right that he goes now, but the blame lies with Beale and the players he brought in who don't want to play for anyone else.
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I completely agree with your last paragraph.
It was never about the way he spoke. Eddie Howe is softly spoken as are many other coaches who clearly inspire their players.
It was always about the impression that Critchley couldn't inspire this spineless bunch.
Then reports came out that he was a really poor communicator and hardly spoke to anyone.
He was the wrong guy, simple as.
We need someone to come in and put a rocket up these spineless players.
 
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QPRski said:
This is crazy and is becoming a farce. The Club discusses “sustainability” and “moving forward”, whilst we become totally destabilised and regress.

I just hope that we already have almost enough points to avoid dropping to L1 as that would be a financial disaster,

In my opinion, something is seriously wrong with our DOF structure and needs to change.

I have no idea what now will happen but we are in a self created mess. I personally would like a new DOF such as Mark Warburton.

I fear all the the good “progress” we have made over the last few years has unraveled.
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Like that. Warbs for DOF.
 
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Quite Possibly Raving said:
I think the context is important. If he'd moved from QPR to Rangers normally, fine, they're offering more money and we'd all move jobs for a significant pay rise.

The thing that annoyed QPR fans was him going for and then turning down the Wolves job, professing loyalty, and then going to Rangers. Wolves are surely offering more money than Rangers and the PL is a much much bigger deal than the SPL, even if you're a non-European team. Hence many SPL players or managers making the move to non-European PL clubs. No player is going to pick Rangers over Everton because they get to play in the CL qualifying rounds.

So the fairer comparison is Wolves to Rangers, not QPR.
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Saff....this is exactly the point.

He professed loyalty and integrity.. He said he had a project here. The fans got a flag commissioned...and within weeks he was gone.

It also appears...he lied about never speaking to Wolves...he did.
He was seen in the Rangers box when Von Brockenhurst was still in post.
He went to watch Rangers on at least 2 occasions

Our dislike of him stems from the lies and the false hopes he gave us...and the players.

There is a story that at the start of the season he spoke to Paal, whose wife was pregnant...and convinced him to join us.
He was instrumental in getting Tim 5vowels here too.
Two players who have every right to feel slighted..
 
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qprbeth said:
Saff....this is exactly the point.

He professed loyalty and integrity.. He said he had a project here. The fans got a flag commissioned...and within weeks he was gone.

It also appears...he lied about never speaking to Wolves...he did.
He was seen in the Rangers box when Von Brockenhurst was still in post.
He went to watch Rangers on at least 2 occasions

Our dislike of him stems from the lies and the false hopes he gave us...and the players.

There is a story that at the start of the season he spoke to Paal, whose wife was pregnant...and convinced him to join us.
He was instrumental in getting Tim 5vowels here too.
Two players who have every right to feel slighted..
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Two players who have no integrity if they have given up
They don't have to play for the shirt but they should play for themselves and their employers
 
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Saff said:
Bit harsh <laugh>

Sounds like the best thing he could have done for his career was to get out of your basket case of a club.

I know its upsetting when managers leave for bigger and better. I experienced it with Big Sam leaving Sunderland for the England job. It was a step up so I accepted it and didn't blame him. Now QPR are in that same boat. Man up and try to be at least a little dignified.
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It's not the fact of his leaving that bothers me - I said exactly the same as you at the time about not blaming someone for taking a bigger job - it's the manner of it. It's the lies and deceit, but worse than that the damage it's done to the group of players he's left behind, many of whom he'd been instrumental in bringing to the club.

Loyalty and integrity my arse
 
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kiwiqpr said:
Two players who have no integrity if they have given up
They don't have to play for the shirt but they should play for themselves and their employers
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In fact they and to be honest...I think only two of our squad have " given up" ....and neither are those two.

They both play to their best ability in a squad without a leader
 
Saff said:
<laugh>

Outside of England not many folk will have heard of teams like Sunderland and QPR. More so QPR, tbh. Everyone in Europe will know who Glasgow Rangers are. They've just made a European final.

Most deluded board I've read in a long time <doh>
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From my experience of talking to people here (Paris) about football, that is not true. Admittedly, people will mention players from yesteryear, but they will have heard of QPR.
 
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bobmid said:
So Beale is to blame for Critchley not being able to get a tune out of the same players.
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I'll answer that. To a large degree yes. He brought them in. Kids (which we wanted TBF) but without the minerals to take the knocks as well as the adulation of success and sick notes who struggle to play more than a handful of games. He then left them in the lurch having spouted on about loyalty at a club they came to in order to play for him when the wheels had just come off. In the meantime the players who had done well for us in the last couple of years were jettisoned to make way for the loanees. Little wonder that their confidence was shot to pieces. Critchley clearly did not have the personality or the nous to take over but he is not the only person to blame by any means. I know a snake when I see one. This one turned out to be poisonous.
 
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Hammersmith bookie said:
Forget Wilder, his wage demands and demands for money for new players make him a non starter. Don't think I'd want him either really, yes he did s great job at Sheff Utd, but once teams had worked out how his teams play , they became easy pickings. Took the sake to style to Boro with alit of money spent and they were serious under achievers. Look at their form since they got rid of him and brought in Carrick. Do we really want a manager who thought it was a good idea to bring in Lumley as number 1 keeper ?
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Hammersmith bookie said:
Forget Wilder, his wage demands and demands for money for new players make him a non starter. Don't think I'd want him either really, yes he did s great job at Sheff Utd, but once teams had worked out how his teams play , they became easy pickings. Took the sake to style to Boro with alit of money spent and they were serious under achievers. Look at their form since they got rid of him and brought in Carrick. Do we really want a manager who thought it was a good idea to bring in Lumley as number 1 keeper ?
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I agree with this. Wilder has been found out and will be too expensive and too demanding. That's for next season but is he the man you want in charge for what's left of this season. Personally I could see Derry and Clint Hill doing the business together,
 
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Saff said:
<laugh>

Outside of England not many folk will have heard of teams like Sunderland and QPR. More so QPR, tbh. Everyone in Europe will know who Glasgow Rangers are. They've just made a European final.

Most deluded board I've read in a long time <doh>
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And then sacked the manager that took them to that final ! Why ? Because Rangers were playing ****, don't have the financial clout to bring in big name players, and are miles behind Celtic in every aspect ! We may be a deluded bunch but your utterly clueless
 
YorkshireHoopster said:
I agree with this. Wilder has been found out and will be too expensive and too demanding. That's for next season but is he the man you want in charge for what's left of this season. Personally I could see Derry and Clint Hill doing the business together,
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Agree
 
What sort of manager do we need right now? I'd identify the 'style' of manager to suit our squad. Not sure they respond to a 'rocket up their arse' style. But then i'm not sure what they respond to at the moment. Certainly a quiet, meek Critchley was totally wrong but what would make these players tick? Maybe a footballers footballer? Clint and Shaun?
 
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