Off Topic Covid 19 restrictions have done one

[Steven Toast]

So we wore masks, did the lockdowns and got double-jabbed only for it to mean **** all because it mutates so we still have to walk on eggshells? For how long?

The answer isn't do **** all, just like the answer isn't to seal everybody in their homes and hope it goes away. There's a middle ground involving taking more precautions which I don't understand why a) people are so reluctant to take and b) don't seem to realise even exists and just jump to one of the extremes.

 

[Ernie Shackleton]

Coronavirus and Influenza are two different viruses.

Covid 19 is not flu in the same way that an apple is not a banana.

 

[Kalman]

The answer isn't do **** all, just like the answer isn't to seal everybody in their homes and hope it goes away. There's a middle ground involving taking more precautions which I don't understand why a) people are so reluctant to take and b) don't seem to realise even exists and just jump to one of the extremes.

Such as?

 

[Steven Toast]

What do you mean it doesn’t mutate like this one? All viruses mutate in an unpredictable way, that’s what mutation means.

Covid 19 mutates in exactly the same way as any other influenza virus

Covid-19 isn't influenza, it's a different species, that's exactly the problem.

 

[SW3 Chelsea Tiger]

Covid-19 isn't influenza, it's a different species, that's exactly the problem.

same family of disease…. Splitting hairs here pal

the flu is part of the corona virus family.

 

[Steven Toast]

Such as?

Social distancing measures? Mask wearing indoors? Bigger pushes on santising stations? The things that were working just fine until we sacked it all off?

 

[Kalman]

Social distancing measures? Mask wearing indoors? Bigger pushes on santising stations? The things that were working just fine until we sacked it all off?

Nipping to the shop? Fair enough. 8 hours working in an office building or school? Nah.

 

[Steven Toast]

same family of disease…. Splitting hairs here pal

But the tiny difference matters a lot in science. We have built up decades of natural flu resistance as a society, we have practically zero natural immunity to Covid-19, so why treat them the same? Gorillas and Chimps are from the same family if you go up high enough, but they're not the same animal and it's not splitting hairs to suggest that.

Covid has killed five times as many people in a year than flu tends to, I don't understand why they would be treated the same when one is quite clearly more dangerous than the other?

 

[Steven Toast]

Nipping to the shop? Fair enough. 8 hours working in an office building or school? Nah.

But it's not even enforced in shops, is it? It's just politely requested, one of the most British and bullshit things we could do.

And if you're going to be spending 8 hours in an enclosed space with 30 odd potentially infected people, a piece of cloth over your face while you're in the same room as them seems like a pretty meaningless issue if it means stopping the virus spreading, doesn't it? If not, what's the problem?

 

[SW3 Chelsea Tiger]

But the tiny difference matters a lot in science. We have built up decades of natural flu resistance as a society, we have practically zero natural immunity to Covid-19, so why treat them the same? Gorillas and Chimps are from the same family if you go up high enough, but they're not the same animal and it's not splitting hairs to suggest that.

Covid has killed five times as many people in a year than flu tends to, I don't understand why they would be treated the same when one is quite clearly more dangerous than the other?

ahh classic … changing the subject matter!

I didn’t mention deaths or any thing else, I just said they are part of the same family

 

[Steven Toast]

ahh classic … changing the subject matter!

I didn’t mention deaths or any thing else, I just said they are part of the same family

Covid and the common cold are in the same family because they're both coronaviruses, influenza isn't a coronavirus, it's an influenza virus (obviously).

 

[Kalman]

But it's not even enforced in shops, is it? It's just politely requested, one of the most British and bullshit things we could do.

And if you're going to be spending 8 hours in an enclosed space with 30 odd potentially infected people, a piece of cloth over your face while you're in the same room as them seems like a pretty meaningless issue if it means stopping the virus spreading, doesn't it? If not, what's the problem?

I don't like wearing one for more than about 15 minutes. They start to get on my tits and and make my face uncomfortable. I'm double-jabbed. I also work in an office with about 6 people and we're not sat together.

 

[SW3 Chelsea Tiger]

Covid and the common cold are in the same family because they're both coronaviruses, influenza isn't a coronavirus, it's an influenza virus (obviously).

No. All part of the same family.

 

[RayVonn]

And that was in 1919, when our medical technology was nowhere near what it is in 2021.

Before there was a vaccine is a major point. Though worse living conditions and health played a big part.

 

[Steven Toast]

I don't like wearing one for more than about 15 minutes. They start to get on my tits and and make me uncomfortable and irritate my face. I'm double-jabbed.

So then, it's down to preference for you. Nobody I've ever met actually likes wearing them, it's a piece of cloth over your face. I have bad skin and it makes my skin dry and irritated when I wear one, but I'll take looking like a leper over having Covid or spreading it any day of the week.

 

[Steven Toast]

thank you .
Same family - that’s exactly what I said

No, you said Influenza and Covid are the same family, they aren't. Influenza isn't the common cold, it's a different virus, hence the gorillas and chimps analogy.

influenza = flu and variants
Coronaviruses = covid, common colds, SARS, MERS etc

 

[Kalman]

So then, it's down to preference for you. Nobody I've ever met actually likes wearing them, it's a piece of cloth over your face. I have bad skin and it makes my skin dry and irritated when I wear one, but I'll take looking like a leper over having Covid or spreading it any day of the week.

Yeah, it is. I'm not opposed to wearing one in a shop and still do even after the rules were relaxed and no longer mandatory. But I prefer not to, and will not, wear one in the office for the entire working day.

 

[Steven Toast]

Yeah, it is. I'm not opposed to wearing one in a shop and still do even after the rules were relaxed and no longer mandatory. But I prefer not to, and will not, wear one in the office for the entire working day.

See, that's fine and everything, but this is my issue. Because given the choice, no ****er would wear one and having been given the choice, a lot of people aren't. That's flying in the face of prevention for personal reasons, as opposed to taking one for the team to try and eliminate it. We just can't do it as a country and it's a shame because others have.

 

[Kalman]

See, that's fine and everything, but this is my issue. Because given the choice, no ****er would wear one and having been given the choice, a lot of people aren't. That's flying in the face of prevention for personal reasons, as opposed to taking one for the team to try and eliminate it. We just can't do it as a country and it's a shame because others have.

People don't like being told what to do. That's not a uniquely British thing. There have been big protests in Italy, France, Spain etc. against lockdowns and regulations as well. To be quite honest, I'd rather Brits grew more of a backbone and adopt the French attitude of kicking off and causing a riot when the government does something they don't like. We're too passive here.

 

[Steven Toast]

People don't like being told what to do. That's not a uniquely British thing. There have been big protests in Italy, France, Spain etc. against lockdowns and regulations as well. To be quite honest, I'd rather Brits grew more of a backbone and adopt the French attitude of kicking off and causing a riot when the government does something they don't like. We're too passive here.

Yeah, I know, but that's the problem and we need to get over that. If it was explained a lot better, people wouldn't rail against it so much. This idea that people know better than scientists, epidemiologists, virologists et al isn't going to work when there's a virus cutting through the population. It might make them feel better emotionally, but in reality it's just contributing to the problem. Sometimes the public don't know better, but they'll never accept that en masse for obvious reasons.

You look at America, which has always had a chip on its shoulder about freedom and people telling them what to do and you see the results. They've lost just shy of three quarters of a million people, but they baulked at most of the safety measures and declared themselves in better knowledge than the scientists advising them. Using personal freedom as an excuse cost them a hell of a lot of people dying, backed up by a president who was too much of a pussy to stand up to them and say its for their own good. The reality was that wearing a mask wasn't anything like wearing a gold star during the holocaust or having your mouth taped up so you can't speak. It's not a case of the "evul gubberment" treading on them, it's because the people who knew what they were talking about were frantically trying to prevent a virus from rapidly killing people and were being roundly ignored.

We don't know better than these people, of course we don't. We just feel empowered to do the opposite because we're ****ing idiots.

Credit to the likes of Dr Fauci, because if I were him I'd have given the US populous a round "you know what? **** you all, you're on your own", flipped them off and kicked back.