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finglasqpr said:
Woody, you say it is not the threat to the global popultion that governments and media outlets would have us believe.

What if, we lift all restrictions worldwide. We all go back to our daily lives pre-covid. I go to see QPR play 5 times between now and Christmas. 18,000 packed into Loftus Road and every other football ground. You go on your holidays to Majorca or wherever. By the end of Winter, there would be tens of millions of dead people. I can't quantify it but the possibility is there for there to be hundreds of millions of people dead worldwide. None of those hundreds of millions (potentially) will be able to go down their local boozer for a few pints.

I haven't heard of any of the people you mention and to be honest, I am not interested in what they might or might not say on this subject.

THE RESTRICTIONS ARE IN PLACE TO PROTECT EVERYBODY'S HEALTH.
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You don’t know who Ivor Cummins is? Jesus Fingy, he’s an Irish engineer who likes to get attention by mouthing off on health issues. Genuine expert.

Apparently the ability to upload a little video of yourself onto YouTube is now more convincing than a lifetime of study and research, as long as what you say is the view of a tiny minority. They have a perfect right to share their views of course, but that doesn’t make them credible.

Woody, have you shared the Great Barrington Declaration yet?
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/great-barrington-declaration-herd-immunity-scientific-divide
 
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finglasqpr said:
Who was denied access to healthcare? Last time I checked, every hospital was still open.
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Fin, this is from the British Medical Association's own website... And this was back in July, so the numbers would be even worse now.

Doctors tell of patients being neglected and their condition worsening as BMA research indicates millions of patients in England have had surgery and appointments cancelled due to Covid.

Research by the BMA concludes that over a million planned operations and treatments as well as over twenty thousand cancer treatments have been cancelled or delayed between April and the end of June this year because of the pandemic.

The Association’s research also estimates that more than two and a half million first time outpatient appointments were cancelled during the same time period.

https://www.bma.org.uk/bma-media-ce...rgery-and-appointments-cancelled-due-to-covid
 
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Woodyhoopleson said:
I think you should search some of the people I listed above, research their backgrounds and qualifications and listen to what they say. There is very little balance offered by the bbc/sky etc. You cannot be fully informed by listening to them alone.
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Woody, I respect what the vast majority of experts are saying.

I have an underlying illness and wouldn't last pissing time if I got covid.

We need the restrictions in place to protect as many people as possible. I am not willing to be a sacrificial lamb so I have no interest in what they say. Protect everybody is the right way of dealing with this.
 
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sb_73 said:
You don’t know who Ivor Cummins is? Jesus Fingy, he’s an Irish engineer who likes to get attention by mouthing off on health issues. Genuine expert.

Apparently the ability to upload a little video of yourself onto YouTube is now more convincing than a lifetime of study and research, as long as what you say is the view of a tiny minority. They have a perfect right to share their views of course, but that doesn’t make them credible.

Woody, have you shared the Great Barrington Declaration yet?
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/great-barrington-declaration-herd-immunity-scientific-divide
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I haven’t read about it yet, will do later.

Are you suggesting that the challenges of the government policies are not from credible individuals?
 
rangercol said:
Nines keeps contradicting himself.
He said "it's all a hoax" and then said the virus is real.
He also incorrectly said that it's been around for 10 years.
Coronavirus, in different forms has, covid 19 hasn't.
I haven't mis-represented anything.

I agree that there are questions about all of this, but the bottom line for me is that I don't want to get the ****er.
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I've never said that the virus wasn't real Col. At worse I once questioned whether it exists in the sense of its severity. The definition of a hoax is a falsehood deliberately fabricated to masquerade as the truth. I was implying that it's a political hoax as opposed to anything else. Like you, I think there are a lot of questions regarding the situation and for some reason, the people in the position to ask them aren't asking them.
 
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Woodyhoopleson said:
I haven’t read about it yet, will do later.

Are you suggesting that the challenges of the government policies are not from credible individuals?
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Some, like Cummins, are definitely not credible. Others have, fairly, alternative opinions to the great majority of their scientific colleagues. Who knows, they might be right. Read the Declaration. Then read the comments on it. Just because something chimes with your (or my) worldview doesn’t make it right.

I am hardly an apologist for the government myself Woody.
 
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QPR999 said:
Fin, this is from the British Medical Association's own website... And this was back in July, so the numbers would be even worse now.

Doctors tell of patients being neglected and their condition worsening as BMA research indicates millions of patients in England have had surgery and appointments cancelled due to Covid.

Research by the BMA concludes that over a million planned operations and treatments as well as over twenty thousand cancer treatments have been cancelled or delayed between April and the end of June this year because of the pandemic.

The Association’s research also estimates that more than two and a half million first time outpatient appointments were cancelled during the same time period.

https://www.bma.org.uk/bma-media-ce...rgery-and-appointments-cancelled-due-to-covid
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Thats fair enough 999's. Everybody deserves timely health care treatment. If any government can't provide it, time to get a government who can.

In the meantime, vulnerable people need to be protected too.
 
finglasqpr said:
Thats fair enough 999's. Everybody deserves timely health care treatment. If any government can't provide it, time to get a government who can.

In the meantime, vulnerable people need to be protected too.
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I don't understand why they closed the Nightingale hospitals. They could've treated the Covid patients there and reopened the NHS to everyone else so it could return to a degree of normality.
 
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QPR999 said:
I don't understand why they closed the Nightingale hospitals. They could've treated the Covid patients there and reopened the NHS to everyone else so it could return to a degree of normality.
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Not enough trained staff mate. The Nightingale hospitals were there for Armageddon, people would have been sent there for housing until self recovery or death, not expert treatment, at least not if they were operating at full capacity. Remember the rows of refrigerator lorries for the bodies?

Our National fetish about the NHS has blinded us a bit during this event.
 
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Woodyhoopleson said:
Again, I think he implies the hoax is the counting of deaths, the use of the term cases and the increase in testing, and the validity of the test used to shape the situation.
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Yep. He quantified his earlier post thus.
Nines.....stop saying "it's ALL a hoax" mate and we won't get the wrong end of the stick.
 
QPR999 said:
I've never said that the virus wasn't real Col. At worse I once questioned whether it exists in the sense of its severity. The definition of a hoax is a falsehood deliberately fabricated to masquerade as the truth. I was implying that it's a political hoax as opposed to anything else. Like you, I think there are a lot of questions regarding the situation and for some reason, the people in the position to ask them aren't asking them.
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Fair enough mate.
There were some people on the radio today, all much younger than me who tested positive for covid back in March and are now suffering all manor of health problems due to long covid.
I've questioned the death rate numbers from day one and constantly flip about lockdown etc.
For me, the NHS MUST be made more accessible NOW regardless of the cost etc. I do understand, though, that there are only so many doctors and nurses to go around.

However, the bottom line for me is that I don't want to get it and will continue to do whatever I can to ensure that I don't whilst expecting others to do what they can not to spread the thing.
 
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QPR999 said:
I don't understand why they closed the Nightingale hospitals. They could've treated the Covid patients there and reopened the NHS to everyone else so it could return to a degree of normality.
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Not enough staff?

Sorry, just seen Stan's reply.
 
finglasqpr said:
The First global pandemic since 1918 is not a particularly unusual event? Well, it is very unusual in my lifetime. The last global pandemic, infected one third of the world's population and killed between 50-100 million people. They had no restriction's in place and even continued a world war.

To me, thrashing the world economy for a few years is worth saving possibly tens of millions of lives. Economies will recover within a few years.
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Actually it's not so unusual Finglas. In 1958 we had the Asian flu which killed around 1.1 million Worldwide (33,000 in the UK) and a decade later the Hong Kong flu which killed an estimated 1-4 million (60,000 in Germany). Very few people remember these now and there will come a time when few people remember Covid 19. The Asian flu and Hong Kong flu remain in circulation now as strains of seasonal flu ie. they mutated into milder forms, which is what will happen to Covid 19 in due course, but we don't know how long that will take, and at what point governments will feel it is safe to start getting back to normal. It sounds unbelievable now but the Woodstock music festival in 1969 took place in between two deadly waves of the Hong Kong flu. The difference is that today we have websites totting up the new infections, and death rates, and rate of hospitalizations which we didn't have then, and maybe we were better for it.
 
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