Off Topic Coronavirus

[Didley Squat]

Back on the trowel again today. It's a refreshing change after **** knows how many weeks! Lost track of time.

So now your plastering as opposed to, getting plastered at home!
Sorry mate, as a fellow plasterer, l couldn't help myself.
Good to hear your working again.
I've just started my third week off although l did run out to arrange a job for the son. ( dam fine plasterer / chippy, too )

 

[kiwiqpr]

Chippy off the old block diddles

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

Matty H’s feet being held to the flame today.

 

[Staines R's]

With 1580 deaths from 14777 cases I don't think Sweden should be used as a great example of the way to go
That's about an eleven percent death rate

Honest question.....why then are some in the media eg The Spectator, putting out that Sweden is showing as a successful model ?
Genuinely confused

 

[YorkshireHoopster]

I’m in the haulage industry mate and believe you me if it happens once it happens again and again, and it’s not an unfounded assumption, so unless you work in haulage and know different shhhhhhhhhhhhh

You made what you do clear enough so run along and find someone else to shhhhh. Your reasoning, if you can call it that, still sucks.and your answer hasn't convinced anyone that you have any factual basis for what you've alleged.

 

[sb_73]

Honest question.....why then are some in the media eg The Spectator, putting out that Sweden is showing as a successful model ?
Genuinely confused

I’m guessing for ideological reasons Stainsey. The Spectator is of course the magazine of free market capitalism. The Swedish approach keeps businesses making money.

But personally I hope that the Swedish model does work. It should have more deaths per million in the short term than the stricter lockdowns (though it’s still lower than ours), but get it over with earlier. I suppose that over the course of the epidemic the number of deaths would be the same, allowing for differences in demographics and quality/capacity of healthcare, just different timescales. We calculated that the NHS would collapse if we took the same route.

It’s the big differences between countries with, on the face of it similar populations (in terms of demographics if not numbers) and health systems which is so confusing. The economic impact is also forecast (and we know we can’t trust forecasts) to be hugely variable- Sweden (light restrictions) economy to shrink by 6%; Germany (medium/heavy restrictions) by 10%; UK (medium restrictions) by 35%.

 

[bobmid]

So now your plastering as opposed to, getting plastered at home!
Sorry mate, as a fellow plasterer, l couldn't help myself.
Good to hear your working again.
I've just started my third week off although l did run out to arrange a job for the son. ( dam fine plasterer / chippy, too )

Getting the materials is the tricky thing although merchants are slowly starting to open.

 

[kiwiqpr]

An eleven percent death rate is a lot for an experiment
Still
As long as we can get back to buying cheap Chinese made televisions and iphones quickly it's all OK then
What's the numbers like for Sweden's neighbours

 

[Staines R's]

So am I right in thinking that their approach, even though it could be classed as successful (similar death rate but less economic impact), would not of worked for us due to factors such as population demographics ?
Therefore does it make any comparisons between countries futile ?

Sorry for all the questions (That was for you Stan but didn’t ‘reply’ to your previous post)

 

[bobmid]

So am I right in thinking that their approach, even though it could be classed as successful (similar death rate but less economic impact), would not of worked for us due to factors such as population demographics ?
Therefore does it make any comparisons between countries futile ?

Sorry for all the questions

There are more blondes in Sweden Staines. Think they have graph to show it.

 

[bobmid]

Coronavirus: Masks for public 'could put NHS supplies at risk'
The government's scientific advisers are to meet later to discuss whether the public should be urged to wear masks in a bid to combat coronavirus.

 

[bobmid]

That's the scientific evidence they were talking about. How very predictable. Thought they had already gone over this twice already. We went from no evidence to show any benefits to then showing a little bit of benefit. These scientific expert advisors are at least becoming transparent themselves!

 

[kiwiqpr]

Finland 3868 cases
98 deaths

Norway 7156 cases
181 deaths

Sweden 14777 cases
1580 deaths

Are Finland and Norway on herd protection lockdown or something else

 

[sb_73]

So am I right in thinking that their approach, even though it could be classed as successful (similar death rate but less economic impact), would not of worked for us due to factors such as population demographics ?
Therefore does it make any comparisons between countries futile ?

Sorry for all the questions (That was for you Stan but didn’t ‘reply’ to your previous post)

I’ll answer if you get Mao off your avatar.......

Actually I think demographics - they have a younger population - but more importantly health service capacity. Our government’s terror of an NHS collapse, which was fair enough, was the root cause of our approach not, I think the pure number of deaths. From what I can see the result has been lots of capacity in the NHS apart from COVID wards and intensive care.

 

[sb_73]

That's the scientific evidence they were talking about. How very predictable. Thought they had already gone over this twice already. We went from no evidence to show any benefits to then showing a little bit of benefit. These scientific expert advisors are at least becoming transparent themselves!

First it will be ‘wear a homemade mask on public transport, because we haven’t got enough proper masks to spare’. Homemade masks will be made of cloth and will get hot, wet and smelly very quickly, a lovely environment for all sorts of viruses and bacteria. But we will think we are safe and get right in each other’s faces again.

There is no ‘new’ evidence on this, it’s bullshit.

 

[bobmid]

First it will be ‘wear a homemade mask on public transport, because we haven’t got enough proper masks to spare’. Homemade masks will be made of cloth and will get hot, wet and smelly very quickly, a lovely environment for all sorts of viruses and bacteria. But we will think we are safe and get right in each other’s faces again.

There is no ‘new’ evidence on this, it’s bullshit.

It's just another shovel full of bullshit to add to the ever increasing pile.

 

[Staines R's]

I’ll answer if you get Mao off your avatar.......

Actually I think demographics - they have a younger population - but more importantly health service capacity. Our government’s terror of an NHS collapse, which was fair enough, was the root cause of our approach not, I think the pure number of deaths. From what I can see the result has been lots of capacity in the NHS apart from COVID wards and intensive care.

I knew you’d notice

 

[pompeymeowth]

https://skwawkbox.org/2020/04/21/bi...s-fake-nhs-accounts-set-up-by-dept-of-health/

If this is true, it must be investigated.

 

[Turkish" Premier" Hoops]

You made what you do clear enough so run along and find someone else to shhhhh. Your reasoning, if you can call it that, still sucks.and your answer hasn't convinced anyone that you have any factual basis for what you've alleged.

Hey SSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH my reasoning is based on talking to people in the haulage industry, as in I have been personally told by a good friend he has been turned away from a ****ing hospital because the goods in was shut after 3pm so how does that suck, so you run along and until you find someone or have proof it didn’t happen STFU.

 

[sb_73]

It's just another shovel full of bullshit to add to the ever increasing pile.

I just hope the advisors and ministers show some spine on this one. The scientific consensus is really clear - proper fluid repellent masks are needed for health care workers in close contact with infected patients, people who are infected should wear them (though if they have symptoms they should not be out in public anyway) to help prevent them infecting others. Nobody else needs them, they should stay 2 metres apart and wash their hands frequently. What I’ve been doing for what feels like a lifetime now so far successfully. This is the advice issues by the WHO, very explicitly (though I’m cautious about what a pinball wizard knows about this stuff) and even those countries, like Hong Kong and Japan, where mask wearing is a habit.

Massive risk of false sense of security from this. If they do it they should issue (not promise to issue, actually issue) everyone in the country with proper effective masks (either reusable or in bulk) with training on how to use them.