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  1. Sooperhoop

    Sooperhoop Well-Known Member

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    Does have a point...

     
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    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    New Zealand

    Why we’re happy hobbits in Jacinda’s ‘mysterious socialist hermit kingdom’
    Max Rashbrooke


    Some British media have been mocking New Zealand for going into Covid lockdown over one case, but it’s hard to find downsides to the approach

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    Physician, heal thyself. This phrase has been in my thoughts ever since global media outlets, most of them British, started mocking New Zealand’s Covid elimination strategy last week.

    I’m a proud British passport holder, and spent some of my best years in London, but not once during this pandemic have I ever wished to be anywhere except New Zealand. That holds true even though we’re now back in lockdown while the British freely enjoy what passes for a summer there.




    As Twitter users were quick to point out, it was indeed crazy of New Zealand to go into lockdown with just one case – no wait, 22 – hang on, 107 … You get the point. The fact that coronavirus case numbers can mount rapidly should be obvious by now, but apparently not.

    Also apparently, some British columnists believe New Zealand has become “a mysterious socialist hermit kingdom”. But we’ve led infinitely freer lives over the past 18 months. On the Oxford Covid-19 Stringency Index, they’ve had – crudely speaking – 60% restricted lives for most of that time, while we have seldom been over 20%. We have lockdowns, but they’re generally short and sharp.

    The lockdowns are also effective: we’ve had just 26 people die of Covid, a number which – and I cannot stress this enough – is very different from more than 130,000, the current UK death tally. Our per-person death rate is 400 times less than the British one. And if any British people think that’s down to New Zealand’s being an island, they might want to take a look at the shape of their own country on a map. Luck, and living on the bottom of the world, have also helped us, but not that much.


    It’s hard to think of any downsides to our approach. Lockdowns are not great for one’s mental health, admittedly, but also probably not as bad as having to watch “the bodies pile high”.

    Our compassionate response has also been an efficient one: New Zealand’s economy recovered more quickly than Britain’s did, while our unemployment rate, at 4%, is so low that firms trying to recruit staff are contemplating desperate measures like actually raising wages.

    Yes, we can be sleepy little hobbits, less protective of our civil liberties than the British. But when infringements are proportionate to the harm they seek to prevent, and governments act competently, citizens are right to be trusting. And it’s not as if no one dares criticise Jacinda Ardern.

    In short, our coronavirus response has been that rarest of things, a win-win-win situation. In the “slightly magical animal” stakes, we can boast not just hobbits but also unicorns.

    As to the “hermit” line: it’s not like we want to be isolated. We organised a trans-Tasman travel bubble with Australia as soon as it looked safe, only for the Aussies to mess everything up. If we don’t have one any more it’s not for lack of effort on our part.


    Of course our government has made mistakes. Managed isolation bookings are chaotic, intensive care beds inadequate, testing systems far from perfect. Most notoriously, our vaccine rollout is the developed world’s slowest.

    But we could afford some slowness because of our previous victories. What’s more, the continuing deaths and resurgent infections in vaccine “success stories” such as Israel, the US and the UK suggest there are few role models out there, unless one is willing to tolerate a body count of hundreds of people a day, tens of thousands a year. New Zealanders would be more excited about “learning to live” with Covid if it didn’t look so much like learning to die with it. We would also probably prefer not to open up to Covid with a very partially vaccinated population, a delightfully British approach that appears perfectly designed to create the next Delta variant.

    Given Delta’s exceptional infection rates, of course, our latest lockdown may not work. We have no monopoly on perfection, no crystal ball. But for the moment it looks like the right strategy.


    And of course we need an exit plan, just like everyone else, and we may eventually have to accept a few coronavirus deaths a year. But that exit plan, and the opening of our borders, will seem feasible only once global vaccination rates are sky-high and the rest of the world is a safe place for travel.

    That, in turn, does not look likely to occur before the end of this year, by which point New Zealand will be in the same situation as everyone else – that is, having got the vaccine to anyone who wants it before commencing a desperate battle with the anti-vaxxers.

    I’m genuinely delighted that the UK has nailed its vaccine rollout, helping protect my many British friends and family members. But rather than mock others, Britons would do well to contemplate their own past – and continuing – problems with a pandemic that is sorely testing us all.



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  3. kiwiqpr

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    Up to four days left
     
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    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    Last Tuesday lockdown was announced
    Supermarket spending by the panic buyers was up 84% on a normal Tuesday
    Alcohol was up 864 %
    No figures for toilet paper sales
     
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    They would have it sh!t it in…… just saying.
     
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    Perhaps they'll start dropping with the virus now they're in the cities. Let's hope they don't need treatment from any female nurses or doctors.
     
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    True - I would not expect them to have been vaccinated
     
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    Dear @qprbeth
    My local vaccine centre were doing walk ins today so I took advantage of beating the massive waits for booked jabs and got my first Pfizer 5g microchip gps jab
    What's the best gap before getting the second one
    I can book from 3 weeks apart but I have seen it's best at 6/8 and 10 weeks apart
    Ta
     
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    Auckland closed for two more weeks
    Back to work Wednesday for the rest of us
     
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    Here in the land of Oz, Queensland in particular, we continue on with masks and business as usual..... touch wood.
    Our southern states are doing it tough with Sydney & Melbourne locked down and numbers rising in both infections and deaths.
    It seems truck drivers, who can travel between states, have entered both here in Queensland and Western Australia, infected.
    I think the poop is about the hit the fan, again.
     
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    Stay safe down under.
     
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    Well done Kiwi, 8-12 weeks sounds good... especially as though you do not seem to be in a completely rampant situation.
     
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    Cheers beth
    They offer the second one here after 3
    Will wait a couple of months then
     
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    Get ready for the cases to sky rocket down there once the kids have gone back to school.

    The kids up here started back two weeks ago, and we're now seeing record numbers all across the country. From what we're hearing, the hospitals are heaving...and deaths are around the ten-a-day mark

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    This isn't going away any time soon. Sturgeon has stated that she's not ruling out local restrictions if the trend continues.
     
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    Really feels like restrictions are going to return and that this thing is never ending.
     
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    I think we're just going to have to learn to live with this and hope the vaxes keep the majority free from any serious illness...
     
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    Exactly.
     
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    Over 500 people have the delta version of the virus
    So far no one has died from it

    One woman has died from side effects of the Pfizer vaccine

    Is new Zealand the only country to have more deaths from the vaccine than from delta

    Butthubber has missed his own self imposed deadline on destroying this place
     
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