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[MackemsRule]

If somebody walks away from a fight you might think him a coward or a wise man - it doesn't mean he is actually either one because only he knows why he walked away and when we say 'coward' or 'wise man' it says more about us than about him.

Around 400 people are found to have killed themselves in the UK every year; the vast majority are men and the real figure is probably much much higher as coroners traditionally try to find a reason to call it death by misadventure to avoid the stigma if possible... Each of these people are individuals with circumstances ranging from what we might consider 'petty' to ones where we cannot believe they stuck it out for so long.

There isn't a single view to be had an amongst their numbers will be cowards and brave men, foolish men and wise men... for most their circumstances remain private but for the few in the public eye it's inevitable that the details are going to be picked over and people are going to colour each one with their own philosophy and if we make a judgement will usually put them into one of three broad classes;

1) Coward - they could't face up to something they have done and have no thought for those left behind

2) Justified - usually those who've put up with pain over a long illness with little chance of any remission or someone under huge mental pressure

3) Cry For Help Gone Wrong - the person who cuts too deep or swallows the wrong mixture

So... MR believes Gary Speed falls into catagory 1) and I guess most of the Newcastle posters would place him into catagory 2) [?] - but this doesn't mean either view is true a it also means both views are equally valid/invalid.

This is an internet forum about football and he was a footballer we're all free to express our opinions; this will be a very sensitive 'no go' area for some but not for others - there is no single line over which people cross... or if there is it seems very wiggly and elastic at times.

The accusations of illegal behavior are a different matter though and we've recently seen people posting on Twitter getting huge fines for publishing liable through a public medium. The person who claims manager 'x' is a *****phile actually in a follow up post claimed they had proof. That person is sailing very, very close to the wind and if anyone really has passed it across to Northumbria police, as they intimated, they will be obliged to investigate it.

Bloody hell mate that was a hard read.

Glad I did mind.

Some very pertinent points.

The thing I have said over and over again, if this had nothing to do with an ex United footballer they wouldn't give two ****s.
And as you have so ably pointed out, my voicing an opinion on suicide in this case isn't actionable by law. (Or even upsetting to any right minded person.)
I have had Mags saying I should be put on suicide watch or killed before this incident.
Water ducks back comes to mind.


The accusations of *****philia are actionable by law though.

 

[Willa Pond]

Aye - I guess I was a bit long winded but I'm glad you got where I was going anyway

 

[MackemsRule]

Aye - I guess I was a bit long winded but I'm glad you got where I was going anyway

Now I'm going to say good night or good morning.

And no it isn't because your post made me tired.
I enjoyed reading it.
And unlike Chappaz you didn't slide in "Sunderland are rubbish"

The painkillers are finally kicking in, if I don't go now they will wear off before I get to sleep.

hahahaha

 

[Jarramag88]

Being a plasterer/ builder the options with big money were few and far between abroad.

Before I was married I used to do a couple of months down the smoke, earning in a day what I was being paid for a week up here.
But I missed my mates and SAFC too much.
I was offered the chance to go to Australia and run a guys building company, it's now a multi-million pound company.
Am I sad I missed the opportunity?
Nope, at that time my love of SAFC over rode everything.
Plus I wouldn't have my 3 wonderful children.
After marriage I didn't even consider working away, though I would have if needs must, as my family comes before even SAFC.
Until I did my back I was making a damn fine living, without having to rip people off too.

I've been quite lucky really. My lass has been with me since I started my apprenticeship so working away is just part and parcel of our life but I absolutely hate leaving the family behind when I have to come back to work. It's the worst part of the job.
Miss alot of matches aswell. I'm in brazil at the minute an the coverage is excellent down here so get to see the games in the tv, but missed the derby this year which was gutting. Was at the derby at your place though so got to one atleast. Also miss alot of Christmas's birthdays etc but you just have to weigh it all up and accept it.

 

[MackemsRule]

I've been quite lucky really. My lass has been with me since I started my apprenticeship so working away is just part and parcel of our life but I absolutely hate leaving the family behind when I have to come back to work. It's the worst part of the job.
Miss alot of matches aswell. I'm in brazil at the minute an the coverage is excellent down here so get to see the games in the tv, but missed the derby this year which was gutting. Was at the derby at your place though so got to one atleast. Also miss alot of Christmas's birthdays etc but you just have to weigh it all up and accept it.

Aye like I say mate needs must sometimes.
I didn't marry till I was 30, was having too good of a time.
Our lass was 18 and I just new she was the one.
It was strange she was always terrified on the nights I was away from home.
Had to have her sister over for company.
And we actually lived in a very quiet nice area.

When the cancer got her being so much younger than me, hurt even more, as I thought then, it would have been better for the kids if it had been me..

 

[MackemsRule]

Well well well.

Syd said this about me, a comment about my opinion.



"When I read


Pointing out your pussy fans have gone elsewhere is funny, but it was intentional. (Leaving because of some cowardly Welsh guy topping himself, is laughable in itself. )


It is so far out of order, IMO that I despair."




No way did I try to make a joke about a mans death.

I voiced an opinion and stand by it.

But because it was a Newcastle player and their childish moderators were bleating like sheep.

Once again Syd has shown his personal dislike of me, I wonder if he will be asking me to start a thread to get rid of him AGAIN?

Your double standards and hypocrisy are once again evident.


http://www.not606.com/showthread.php/127949-Selfish-Bastard

But your making jokes about a man dying, who wasn't a footballer is ok is it?
You also dragged Speed into your sad little joke.


Once again I stand by my opinion a man who couldn't face up to his responsibilities and takes the easy way out is a coward.
Would I have made a joke about it?
Nope.

****ing bunch of pussies.

 

[Steven Royston O'Neill]

And with that this thread ends

 

[Commachio]

Well well well.

Syd said this about me, a comment about my opinion.



"When I read


Pointing out your pussy fans have gone elsewhere is funny, but it was intentional. (Leaving because of some cowardly Welsh guy topping himself, is laughable in itself. )


It is so far out of order, IMO that I despair."




No way did I try to make a joke about a mans death.

I voiced an opinion and stand by it.

But because it was a Newcastle player and their childish moderators were bleating like sheep.

Once again Syd has shown his personal dislike of me, I wonder if he will be asking me to start a thread to get rid of him AGAIN?

Your double standards and hypocrisy are once again evident.


http://www.not606.com/showthread.php/127949-Selfish-Bastard

But your making jokes about a man dying, who wasn't a footballer is ok is it?
You also dragged Speed into your sad little joke.


Once again I stand by my opinion a man who couldn't face up to his responsibilities and takes the easy way out is a coward.
Would I have made a joke about it?
Nope.

****ing bunch of pussies.

And breathe out.