Off Topic Climate change/ pollution

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John Ex Aberdeen now E.R. said:
In an ideal world that would be the prefer thing, but I fear if we do stop any further product of oil and gas, unless we go Nuclear, in a relative short space of time how can we generate enough energy etc? The likelihood is we have to import it, whilst we have it on our own doorstep because I don't believe we can fill the gap quickly.
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I don’t think anyone is suggesting that we turn off fossil fuel use before we have green alternatives, that’s just going to end up in a bigger energy crisis. The suggestion is that you accelerate green energy production as far as you can to reduce the reliance on fossil fuels.
 
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My wife wants to go to North Scotland to see the countryside.
I want to get a sleeper to Aberdeen (I've never been on a sleeper) but my wife think it's too expensive for what you get.
She would rather drive all the way (my idea was to hire a car when we get there).
Ideally I would go for one of these mobile homes because I dont want to be thinking about which hotel to stay in every night
My wife says you are limited where you can park anyway so it wouldnt be much different
I can see both sides of the argument
I'll wait until we get round to deciding on the holiday
 
Ernie Shackleton said:
I will usually book first class so long as the price differential isn't stupid and, as you say, LNER provides a good service.

The same cannot be said for some of their competitors - the only saving grace is that they are often cancelled, delayed or late and if you can navigate the Byzantine nature of the compensation websites they are forced by law to provide, you can often end up having travelled for half price or even free.
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Any delays etc with LNER are just paid directly back to my card as I always book through their app. It's normally there within a day or 2
 
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When I went to Trencin to see City in the "Steve Bruce get kicked out as soon as possible cup" I paid £10 for priority boarding and £10 for extra leg room and first off the plane. Walking to the front of a long queue was embarrassing. Then when I got off the plane at Bratislava we had to get on a seatless bus to take us to the airport terminal. Everybody else on the plane got on the bus after us and when we arrived at the airport terminal I was last off the bus. Not ideal!

On the train from Bratislava to Zilinia I had a fantastic time. Three hours in the dining car with a meal about £20 each and a lot of friendly people from all over.

Just a reminder of part of the game
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Another reminder of how off form we were was seeing Shane Long try to kick the match ball to the fans behind the goal at the end of the match only to see the ball go over the stand!
 
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Howdentiger2 said:
Nuclear?

We would all like cheap and affordable energy, but I think we need to be realistic and accept it almost certainly won't happen, I think the best we can say is around the same price as now but cleaner and more renewable.

Transport is the biggest issue to over come imo and EV isn't the solution either. How do we overcome that?

Biggest issue overall is who pays for it? Ultimately it will be us In ££s and inconvenience

All new homes should have solar panels on their roofs as standard now, but again the argument is who pays for it? Homebuilders are struggling to sell homes ATM as it is due the interest rates. Adding more expensive on them just isn't going to work.

Solar farms are a great idea in theory, but nobody wants one near them, take a look at the objections to the proposed one just outside Howden which will be the biggest in the UK.

And let's be fair, as long as China, India and most the developing world continue to do what they do etc, what we in the UK do won't make a shred of difference to the environment but will cost us all ££ and make out lives more difficult.
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Howdentiger2 said:
Nuclear?

We would all like cheap and affordable energy, but I think we need to be realistic and accept it almost certainly won't happen, I think the best we can say is around the same price as now but cleaner and more renewable.

Transport is the biggest issue to over come imo and EV isn't the solution either. How do we overcome that?

Biggest issue overall is who pays for it? Ultimately it will be us In ££s and inconvenience

All new homes should have solar panels on their roofs as standard now, but again the argument is who pays for it? Homebuilders are struggling to sell homes ATM as it is due the interest rates. Adding more expensive on them just isn't going to work.

Solar farms are a great idea in theory, but nobody wants one near them, take a look at the objections to the proposed one just outside Howden which will be the biggest in the UK.

And let's be fair, as long as China, India and most the developing world continue to do what they do etc, what we in the UK do won't make a shred of difference to the environment but will cost us all ££ and make out lives more difficult.
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I must admit that I’m quite torn about the use of nuclear. I’m not sure about it’s overall affordability - take massive money to set up and maintain and only last around 49 to 50 years, then loads of decommissioning costs, then what do you do with waste which has a half life of 1500 years. I tried to research the issues with waste, but it seems very complicated (includes exporting it to other countries, which seems mad). Also the Ukraine plant shows what risks nuclear poses in an increasingly volatile world.

But I’m still not hearing solid solutions to the problems we have with energy from eco sceptics, So in the absence of meaningful alternatives, surely we just need to crack on with developing genuine renewables (not phoney eco fuels) and solve the problems as we go, rather than doing nothing until everyone agrees on some ‘perfect’ solution.
 
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petersaxton said:
My wife wants to go to North Scotland to see the countryside.
I want to get a sleeper to Aberdeen (I've never been on a sleeper) but my wife think it's too expensive for what you get.
She would rather drive all the way (my idea was to hire a car when we get there).
Ideally I would go for one of these mobile homes because I dont want to be thinking about which hotel to stay in every night
My wife says you are limited where you can park anyway so it wouldnt be much different
I can see both sides of the argument
I'll wait until we get round to deciding on the holiday
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Hire a smallish motorhome (bigger than a VW Campervan, smaller than an American style RV) and do the NC500.

Plenty of stopping places / camp sites, just do a bit of planning beforehand.
 
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Ernie Shackleton said:
Hire a smallish motorhome (bigger than a VW Campervan, smaller than an American style RV) and do the NC500.

Plenty of stopping places / camp sites, just do a bit of planning beforehand.
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Thanks for the advice. I'll bear all that in mind.
I was thinking of an American style RV but my wife will say it's a waste of money!
 
petersaxton said:
My wife wants to go to North Scotland to see the countryside.
I want to get a sleeper to Aberdeen (I've never been on a sleeper) but my wife think it's too expensive for what you get.
She would rather drive all the way (my idea was to hire a car when we get there).
Ideally I would go for one of these mobile homes because I dont want to be thinking about which hotel to stay in every night
My wife says you are limited where you can park anyway so it wouldnt be much different
I can see both sides of the argument
I'll wait until we get round to deciding on the holiday
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Sleepers are fun, just different. Try bunking up on a narrow bed when the carriage is swaying from side to side, very different!
 
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What? A full dog? said:
But I’m still not hearing solid solutions to the problems we have with energy from eco sceptics, So in the absence of meaningful alternatives, surely we just need to crack on with developing genuine renewables (not phoney eco fuels) and solve the problems as we go, rather than doing nothing until everyone agrees on some ‘perfect’ solution.
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Yes, that is what the energy industry and government sectors have been doing for decades now. It's a huge integrated industry and many of the traditional oil and gas companies are heavily invested in it - it's not them Vs. us as you wrote earlier, BP have built all of the wind farms in the US in the last decade - financed by profits from oil production. Equinor and BP are going to be building a lot more over the next 20 years and what's holding it back is the lack of available workforce.

A multi-billion euro development was completed last year linking several European countries with high voltage cables, so that countries producing excess electricity can be sent to others. So the UK used electricity produced by hydro and nuclear from Norway and France last winter, when wind could only provide 1% of requirements. Hence why my bills remained high, whereas before privatisation, I would have been paying cost price.

Huge infrastructure projects take time and need skilled and qualified ppl - there's not enough to move as fast as just stop oil want.
 
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Ron Burguvdy said:
The Rebellion against the Rebellion...

https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/london-climate-protest-just-stop-oil-b2378856.html
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They're actually eco-activists, but they feel just stop oil are having a detrimental effect on gaining support and getting the message out, as people are more focused on them being annoying tossers rather than considering the message they're trying to put out. They infiltrated just stop oil, and found them to be self righteous hypocrites.

They did this too.


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What? A full dog? said:
I don’t think anyone is suggesting that we turn off fossil fuel use before we have green alternatives, that’s just going to end up in a bigger energy crisis. The suggestion is that you accelerate green energy production as far as you can to reduce the reliance on fossil fuels.
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As I have already said, I am not against using more green energy alternatives, but feel for us to be totally reliant on them is a bit unrealistic at present. Wind energy is dependent on wind and if it doesn't blow then put pressure on other ways. You say people are not saying we should stop using oil and gas, but according to Just stop oil mission statement who are in league with one of the political parties by funding them, they do want to stop production.

Just stop oil mission statement

Just Stop Oil is a British environmental activist group. Using civil resistance, direct action, vandalism and traffic obstruction, the group aims for the British government to commit to ending new fossil fuel licensing and production.

IMO it will come down to economics and votes, I can't see the Middle East countries or Russia stopping producing oil and gas, and if they are to supply China, India & Brazil for example, and oil/gas is cheaper than renewables then we are going to become uncompetitive.

I say again I am not against moving towards this, but people see it is going to affect their lives in a negative way there will be resistance.

At the end of the day, none of us know how it will play out, I just feel it would be more realistic to reduce the dependants on oil and gas rather than totally cut it out in this country when others are not.
 
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John Ex Aberdeen now E.R. said:
As I have already said, I am not against using more green energy alternatives, but feel for us to be totally reliant on them is a bit unrealistic at present. Wind energy is dependent on wind and if it doesn't blow then put pressure on other ways. You say people are not saying we should stop using oil and gas, but according to Just stop oil mission statement who are in league with one of the political parties by funding them, they do want to stop production.

Just stop oil mission statement

Just Stop Oil is a British environmental activist group. Using civil resistance, direct action, vandalism and traffic obstruction, the group aims for the British government to commit to ending new fossil fuel licensing and production.

IMO it will come down to economics and votes, I can't see the Middle East countries or Russia stopping producing oil and gas, and if they are to supply China, India & Brazil for example, and oil/gas is cheaper than renewables then we are going to become uncompetitive.

I say again I am not against moving towards this, but people see it is going to affect their lives in a negative way there will be resistance.

At the end of the day, none of us know how it will play out, I just feel it would be more realistic to reduce the dependants on oil and gas rather than totally cut it out in this country when others are not.
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That mission statement clearly states ‘ending new fossil fuel licenses and production’, not ending all production.
 
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Either way you can bet your bottom dollar that George Soros will have his evil old wrinkly fingers involved in ‘Just Stop Oil’ somewhere along the line
 
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