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  1. What? A full dog?

    What? A full dog? Well-Known Member

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    I don’t think anyone is suggesting that we turn off fossil fuel use before we have green alternatives, that’s just going to end up in a bigger energy crisis. The suggestion is that you accelerate green energy production as far as you can to reduce the reliance on fossil fuels.
     
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    At one time it was £1 each journey
    I expect when I got a meal with it would be more but not excessive
     
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  3. petersaxton

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    My wife wants to go to North Scotland to see the countryside.
    I want to get a sleeper to Aberdeen (I've never been on a sleeper) but my wife think it's too expensive for what you get.
    She would rather drive all the way (my idea was to hire a car when we get there).
    Ideally I would go for one of these mobile homes because I dont want to be thinking about which hotel to stay in every night
    My wife says you are limited where you can park anyway so it wouldnt be much different
    I can see both sides of the argument
    I'll wait until we get round to deciding on the holiday
     
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  4. Howdentiger2

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    Any delays etc with LNER are just paid directly back to my card as I always book through their app. It's normally there within a day or 2
     
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  5. petersaxton

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    When I went to Trencin to see City in the "Steve Bruce get kicked out as soon as possible cup" I paid £10 for priority boarding and £10 for extra leg room and first off the plane. Walking to the front of a long queue was embarrassing. Then when I got off the plane at Bratislava we had to get on a seatless bus to take us to the airport terminal. Everybody else on the plane got on the bus after us and when we arrived at the airport terminal I was last off the bus. Not ideal!

    On the train from Bratislava to Zilinia I had a fantastic time. Three hours in the dining car with a meal about £20 each and a lot of friendly people from all over.

    Just a reminder of part of the game


    Another reminder of how off form we were was seeing Shane Long try to kick the match ball to the fans behind the goal at the end of the match only to see the ball go over the stand!
     
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  6. What? A full dog?

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    I must admit that I’m quite torn about the use of nuclear. I’m not sure about it’s overall affordability - take massive money to set up and maintain and only last around 49 to 50 years, then loads of decommissioning costs, then what do you do with waste which has a half life of 1500 years. I tried to research the issues with waste, but it seems very complicated (includes exporting it to other countries, which seems mad). Also the Ukraine plant shows what risks nuclear poses in an increasingly volatile world.

    But I’m still not hearing solid solutions to the problems we have with energy from eco sceptics, So in the absence of meaningful alternatives, surely we just need to crack on with developing genuine renewables (not phoney eco fuels) and solve the problems as we go, rather than doing nothing until everyone agrees on some ‘perfect’ solution.
     
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    I’ve been to London first class on Hull Trains a couple of times recently and not had any issues.

    Traditionally, I’ve driven everywhere, including to London and back twice a week for about fifteen years, but it’s a drag nowadays (too many cameras).
     
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  8. Ernie Shackleton

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    Hire a smallish motorhome (bigger than a VW Campervan, smaller than an American style RV) and do the NC500.

    Plenty of stopping places / camp sites, just do a bit of planning beforehand.
     
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    Thanks for the advice. I'll bear all that in mind.
    I was thinking of an American style RV but my wife will say it's a waste of money!
     
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    Sleepers are fun, just different. Try bunking up on a narrow bed when the carriage is swaying from side to side, very different!
     
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    Yes, that is what the energy industry and government sectors have been doing for decades now. It's a huge integrated industry and many of the traditional oil and gas companies are heavily invested in it - it's not them Vs. us as you wrote earlier, BP have built all of the wind farms in the US in the last decade - financed by profits from oil production. Equinor and BP are going to be building a lot more over the next 20 years and what's holding it back is the lack of available workforce.

    A multi-billion euro development was completed last year linking several European countries with high voltage cables, so that countries producing excess electricity can be sent to others. So the UK used electricity produced by hydro and nuclear from Norway and France last winter, when wind could only provide 1% of requirements. Hence why my bills remained high, whereas before privatisation, I would have been paying cost price.

    Huge infrastructure projects take time and need skilled and qualified ppl - there's not enough to move as fast as just stop oil want.
     
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    Most definitely sounds like one of his brainwashed young disciples!
     
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  13. Ernie Shackleton

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    They're actually eco-activists, but they feel just stop oil are having a detrimental effect on gaining support and getting the message out, as people are more focused on them being annoying tossers rather than considering the message they're trying to put out. They infiltrated just stop oil, and found them to be self righteous hypocrites.

    They did this too.


     
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  16. John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.

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    As I have already said, I am not against using more green energy alternatives, but feel for us to be totally reliant on them is a bit unrealistic at present. Wind energy is dependent on wind and if it doesn't blow then put pressure on other ways. You say people are not saying we should stop using oil and gas, but according to Just stop oil mission statement who are in league with one of the political parties by funding them, they do want to stop production.

    Just stop oil mission statement

    Just Stop Oil is a British environmental activist group. Using civil resistance, direct action, vandalism and traffic obstruction, the group aims for the British government to commit to ending new fossil fuel licensing and production.


    IMO it will come down to economics and votes, I can't see the Middle East countries or Russia stopping producing oil and gas, and if they are to supply China, India & Brazil for example, and oil/gas is cheaper than renewables then we are going to become uncompetitive.

    I say again I am not against moving towards this, but people see it is going to affect their lives in a negative way there will be resistance.

    At the end of the day, none of us know how it will play out, I just feel it would be more realistic to reduce the dependants on oil and gas rather than totally cut it out in this country when others are not.
     
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    That mission statement clearly states ‘ending new fossil fuel licenses and production’, not ending all production.
     
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  18. John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.

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    I think it can be read either way, but like all things it's a matter of opinion.
     
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  19. look_back_in_amber

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    Either way you can bet your bottom dollar that George Soros will have his evil old wrinkly fingers involved in ‘Just Stop Oil’ somewhere along the line
     
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    They've started that aim clearly in the past. Makes a lot of sense considering the 'benefits' wouldn't be felt for 50 years.
     
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