Off Topic Climate change/ pollution

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A fully integrated public transport system has to be implemented and funded by central government, it can't be done any other way.

It's not actually all that radical an idea, the rest of Europe all seem to have fairly decent integrated public transport systems already.

Ok how and where would you implement it in hull, look at how the poor implication of the recent cycle lanes messed up the city.
 
Really it doesn't matter what you or I believe can be done. Scientists can figure all that out. If they say "sorry it just can't be done, there's no feasible way to go greener" then fair enough. I think we all know that's not the case though, so it's a question of political will and public sentiment.

Exactly, in many ways as our dear friend The French Tickler would say TWT who turns out to be right or wrong.
 
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LNER have been a bit more reliable of late and long may it continue.The linking up to their East coast stations is a different matter entirely? Travelling from Hull to York can be hit and miss at the best of times and these trains are frequently late or cancelled .

It's taken me in excess of 8 hours to get from Hull to Cumbernauld on several occasions over the last couple of seasons and I'm having serious doubts at my age whether it's worth the stress anymore...

Living where I do I'm fortunate that I don't have to deal with anything but the mainline, if I'm heading south I drive to Donny station or north I go from York.... I still to this day though avoid Hull trains like the plague.

Friend if mine hates trains etc and drives absolutely everywhere, but he's having a weekend away in Newcastle this weekend ( I think it's this weekend ) and I convinced him to go from York on the train, treat himself and the Mrs to first class and just switch of enjoying some complimentary food and booze. Took me ages to talk him into it before he booked it..... Now there on strike so he's having to drive anyway! Almost zero chance of convincing him again now
 
Do you have a car?

The only city in this country where you can probably get on with your life without a car is London. Until places put in proper functioning and reliable public transport systems then cars should and will continue to be the best option. I drive approx 35/40k miles a year for work these days down from 50k pre covid. I use trains if I'm going to London, Newcastle or Edinburgh as it's pretty easy and convenient with LNER. But the only days I ever seem to have problems is the days I choose to take the train...

Planes I also can't avoid for business travel.

And how many Billions is transport for London in debt?
 
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The greenest cars are the ones already built, they are also fairly efficient and less polluting than days of old. Just like the switch from petrol to diesel, the move from ice to electric is money orientated.
Pollution in cities is often worse now than in the past, but no one mentions the use of wood burning stoves the days, smoke free zone were a thing in the 1970s and it all seems to be forgotten now.
As a mate who happens to be a green party councillor said, many confuse renewable with enviroment friendly.
 
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The greenest cars are the ones already built, they are also fairly efficient and less polluting than days of old. Just like the switch from petrol to diesel, the move from ice to electric is money orientated.
Pollution in cities is often worse now than in the past, but no one mentions the use of wood burning stoves the days, smoke free zone were a thing in the 1970s and it all seems to be forgotten now.
As a mate who happens to be a green party councillor said, many confuse renewable with enviroment friendly.

Smoke free zones still exist and you need a special exemption to have a wood burning stove if you live in one. They've also banned coal from being burned in stoves and open fires anywhere, you can only buy smokeless brickets now.
 
Smoke free zones still exist and you need a special exemption to have a wood burning stove if you live in one. They've also banned coal from being burned in stoves and open fires anywhere, you can only buy smokeless brickets now.

Oddly enough the whole of hull city council area is a smoke control area but there are no smoke control areas in the whole of the east riding council area. The exemptions are your supposed to use a government approved stove and only it's recommended fuels, like everyone does, NOT
 
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Climatology/Meteorology
Sustainable/Enviroment
Contradictory interpretation of data

The only certainty is, something has to be done. At what cost?
Let us return to the sheep farmer and his loss making fleece.
Hey boss, we insulate every house with wool.
How much?
£136 quid.
Fantastic, rattle the numbers through your environmentally abacus and we will do it. Free fleece for every home.
Hey boss, farmer just said if you want the fleece, shear them ya self.
How much?
£200
Eh??

Who pays the shortfall?

As daft, flippant, ridiculous analogy, that seems, I believe any solution, no matter how fanciful, will have exactly that problem. Money.
 
And let's be fair, as long as China, India and most the developing world continue to do what they do etc, what we in the UK do won't make a shred of difference to the environment but will cost us all ££ and make out lives more difficult.
How dare you blame China and India! Dont you know that everything is the fault of the west?
 
How dare you blame China and India! Dont you know that everything is the fault of the west?

Many of the measures proposed in the west to tackle the issues, will generate the most death and harm in impoverished areas of the world that have yet to realise the benefits of the wealth and technology created by condensed, portable, low cost energy.
 
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Ok how and where would you implement it in hull, look at how the poor implication of the recent cycle lanes messed up the city.
Near where I live in London there is a High Street (Colliers Wood to Tooting) and they have put cycle lanes cordoned off with bollards. There used to be two lanes each way for vehicles. Now there are two lanes for vehicles hardly moving and two cycle lanes with very few cycles using them. They have also put islands for bus queues which blocks one of the vehicle lanes and when a bus stops to pick up or put down passengers it blocks the other vehicle lane.
Buses and vehicles travel very slowly and it takes ambulances a very long time to get to and from St George's Hospital which is a massive hospital with a large A&E.
 
Near where I live in London there is a High Street (Colliers Wood to Tooting) and they have put cycle lanes cordoned off with bollards. There used to be two lanes each way for vehicles. Now there are two lanes for vehicles hardly moving and two cycle lanes with very few cycles using them. On top of that they have put islands for bus queues which blocks one of the vehicle lanes and when a bus stops to pick up or put down passengers it blocks the other vehicle lane.
Buses and vehicles travel very slowly and it takes ambulances a very long time to get to and from St George's Hospital which is a massive hospital with a large A&E.

The creation of a £1.6million London cycle lane praised by Jeremy Vine has caused 'congestion and queuing', an official report has revealed.
Transport for London (TfL) engineers reviewed the route on King Street in Hammersmith, where one of two lanes for vehicles was reserved for cyclists instead.

In December, TfL carried out a 'full timing review' of traffic lights to adjust timings to cope with changes in 'traffic flow' after some buses were found to be slower.

Engineers carried out a 'network performance report' which revealed how the new layout could cause gridlock because cars moving on the single lane have to come to a half when buses pull up at a stop near the roundabout.

The engineers wrote: 'As part of the cycleway scheme, a general traffic lane was removed from King Street and replaced with the two-way cycle lane.

'This has contributed to congestion and queuing on King Street reaching the western side of the gyratory.

'This couldn't be fixed as most of the time the queue was caused by buses stopping at the bus stop and general traffic unable to pass because it's now a single lane.'
 
Friend if mine hates trains etc and drives absolutely everywhere, but he's having a weekend away in Newcastle this weekend ( I think it's this weekend ) and I convinced him to go from York on the train, treat himself and the Mrs to first class and just switch of enjoying some complimentary food and booze. Took me ages to talk him into it before he booked it..... Now there on strike so he's having to drive anyway! Almost zero chance of convincing him again now

Suspect he may have been disappointed anyway.

The last time I went York to Newcastle first class, the complimentary food was a packet of three Crawford's shortcake biscuits. Couldn't have a drink as they had no hot water (Booze? Not on a one hour journey sir, see our terms and conditions) and the first class toilet was out of order.

I paid an upgrade to make my life significantly worse.


This was with TransPennine though who, literally, couldn't run a bath.
 
Suspect he may have been disappointed anyway.

The last time I went York to Newcastle first class, the complimentary food was a packet of three Crawford's shortcake biscuits. Couldn't have a drink as they had no hot water (Booze? Not on a one hour journey sir, see or terms and conditions) and the first class toilet was out of order.

I paid an upgrade to make my life significantly worse.


This was with TransPennine though who, literally, couldn't run a bath.

To be fair LNER first class is normally pretty good. There has been the odd times things haven't been available, but it's very rare from my experience
 
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Suspect he may have been disappointed anyway.

The last time I went York to Newcastle first class, the complimentary food was a packet of three Crawford's shortcake biscuits. Couldn't have a drink as they had no hot water (Booze? Not on a one hour journey sir, see our terms and conditions) and the first class toilet was out of order.

I paid an upgrade to make my life significantly worse.


This was with TransPennine though who, literally, couldn't run a bath.
I went to see City on train first class from London to Hull return. I dont think it was very expensive. I dont remember getting a meal going to Hull but had a fantastic meal on the way back.
 
I went to see City on train first class from London to Hull return. I dont think it was very expensive. I dont remember getting a meal going to Hull but had a fanastic meal on the way back.

The price difference between the standard and first class tickets can be minimal sometimes, well worth it just for the single seats with tables and free drinks etc
 
The price difference between the standard and first class tickets can be minimal sometimes, well worth it just for the single seats with tables and free drinks etc

I will usually book first class so long as the price differential isn't stupid and, as you say, LNER provides a good service.

The same cannot be said for some of their competitors - the only saving grace is that they are often cancelled, delayed or late and if you can navigate the Byzantine nature of the compensation websites they are forced by law to provide, you can often end up having travelled for half price or even free.