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Discussion in 'Hull City' started by bradymk2, Oct 21, 2022.

  1. Howdentiger2

    Howdentiger2 Well-Known Member

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    Ok how and where would you implement it in hull, look at how the poor implication of the recent cycle lanes messed up the city.
     
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    Exactly, in many ways as our dear friend The French Tickler would say TWT who turns out to be right or wrong.
     
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  3. Howdentiger2

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    Living where I do I'm fortunate that I don't have to deal with anything but the mainline, if I'm heading south I drive to Donny station or north I go from York.... I still to this day though avoid Hull trains like the plague.

    Friend if mine hates trains etc and drives absolutely everywhere, but he's having a weekend away in Newcastle this weekend ( I think it's this weekend ) and I convinced him to go from York on the train, treat himself and the Mrs to first class and just switch of enjoying some complimentary food and booze. Took me ages to talk him into it before he booked it..... Now there on strike so he's having to drive anyway! Almost zero chance of convincing him again now
     
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    And how many Billions is transport for London in debt?
     
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    Mr kahn... What a leader
     
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  6. balkan tiger

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    The greenest cars are the ones already built, they are also fairly efficient and less polluting than days of old. Just like the switch from petrol to diesel, the move from ice to electric is money orientated.
    Pollution in cities is often worse now than in the past, but no one mentions the use of wood burning stoves the days, smoke free zone were a thing in the 1970s and it all seems to be forgotten now.
    As a mate who happens to be a green party councillor said, many confuse renewable with enviroment friendly.
     
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    £13b, though as they've just opened an entirely new system that cost £18b, it's not as bad as it sounds.

    A bit like Tottenham, £700m in debt, but only because they built a flash new stadium.
     
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    Smoke free zones still exist and you need a special exemption to have a wood burning stove if you live in one. They've also banned coal from being burned in stoves and open fires anywhere, you can only buy smokeless brickets now.
     
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    Oddly enough the whole of hull city council area is a smoke control area but there are no smoke control areas in the whole of the east riding council area. The exemptions are your supposed to use a government approved stove and only it's recommended fuels, like everyone does, NOT
     
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    Climatology/Meteorology
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    Contradictory interpretation of data

    The only certainty is, something has to be done. At what cost?
    Let us return to the sheep farmer and his loss making fleece.
    Hey boss, we insulate every house with wool.
    How much?
    £136 quid.
    Fantastic, rattle the numbers through your environmentally abacus and we will do it. Free fleece for every home.
    Hey boss, farmer just said if you want the fleece, shear them ya self.
    How much?
    £200
    Eh??

    Who pays the shortfall?

    As daft, flippant, ridiculous analogy, that seems, I believe any solution, no matter how fanciful, will have exactly that problem. Money.
     
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    How dare you blame China and India! Dont you know that everything is the fault of the west?
     
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    Many of the measures proposed in the west to tackle the issues, will generate the most death and harm in impoverished areas of the world that have yet to realise the benefits of the wealth and technology created by condensed, portable, low cost energy.
     
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    Near where I live in London there is a High Street (Colliers Wood to Tooting) and they have put cycle lanes cordoned off with bollards. There used to be two lanes each way for vehicles. Now there are two lanes for vehicles hardly moving and two cycle lanes with very few cycles using them. They have also put islands for bus queues which blocks one of the vehicle lanes and when a bus stops to pick up or put down passengers it blocks the other vehicle lane.
    Buses and vehicles travel very slowly and it takes ambulances a very long time to get to and from St George's Hospital which is a massive hospital with a large A&E.
     
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    The creation of a £1.6million London cycle lane praised by Jeremy Vine has caused 'congestion and queuing', an official report has revealed.
    Transport for London (TfL) engineers reviewed the route on King Street in Hammersmith, where one of two lanes for vehicles was reserved for cyclists instead.

    In December, TfL carried out a 'full timing review' of traffic lights to adjust timings to cope with changes in 'traffic flow' after some buses were found to be slower.

    Engineers carried out a 'network performance report' which revealed how the new layout could cause gridlock because cars moving on the single lane have to come to a half when buses pull up at a stop near the roundabout.

    The engineers wrote: 'As part of the cycleway scheme, a general traffic lane was removed from King Street and replaced with the two-way cycle lane.

    'This has contributed to congestion and queuing on King Street reaching the western side of the gyratory.

    'This couldn't be fixed as most of the time the queue was caused by buses stopping at the bus stop and general traffic unable to pass because it's now a single lane.'
     
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    Suspect he may have been disappointed anyway.

    The last time I went York to Newcastle first class, the complimentary food was a packet of three Crawford's shortcake biscuits. Couldn't have a drink as they had no hot water (Booze? Not on a one hour journey sir, see our terms and conditions) and the first class toilet was out of order.

    I paid an upgrade to make my life significantly worse.


    This was with TransPennine though who, literally, couldn't run a bath.
     
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    To be fair LNER first class is normally pretty good. There has been the odd times things haven't been available, but it's very rare from my experience
     
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    I went to see City on train first class from London to Hull return. I dont think it was very expensive. I dont remember getting a meal going to Hull but had a fantastic meal on the way back.
     
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    The price difference between the standard and first class tickets can be minimal sometimes, well worth it just for the single seats with tables and free drinks etc
     
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  20. Ernie Shackleton

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    I will usually book first class so long as the price differential isn't stupid and, as you say, LNER provides a good service.

    The same cannot be said for some of their competitors - the only saving grace is that they are often cancelled, delayed or late and if you can navigate the Byzantine nature of the compensation websites they are forced by law to provide, you can often end up having travelled for half price or even free.
     
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