There is a fair bit of chatter going around about how and where temperatures are being measured. Now measuring ground temps rather than air temps as in the past, and many monitoring point are at airports.
Off Topic Climate change/ pollution
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There is a fair bit of chatter going around about how and where temperatures are being measured. Now measuring ground temps rather than air temps as in the past, and many monitoring point are at airports.
Forthcoming ice age, global warming, climate change and now climate crisis have all been used in my relatively short time on earth which is billions of years old. It is known that the temperature has gone up and down many times, before man, before industrial revolution, before intensive farming and many more things.
It goes without saying that looking after the planet is a good thing and as we learn things we have benefited from in the past may be damaging the planet it is a good idea to reduce their use. Plastics, fossile fuels, cfc gases and the likes.
Our problem today is that rather than allow technology and invention to bring the improvements we have moneytorized the whole thing into a business, and at the same time make our own industries and businesses uncompetitive in the world market place, turning a blind eye to what goes on far away to give us a warm feeling of saving the planet.
The media plays a lot of games with that. Here in the US, there has been a lot of chatter about how this is the hottest summer on record, using a record going back to 1961. Why 1961? Because that was the end of a general cooling trend and the start of another warming trend. The 1930s were hotter than present, so bad that massive crop failures occurred throughout the midwest, leading to what we refer to historically as the Dust Bowl.
There are probably a number of reasons, but I do feel many of them are just the natural way things happen. All this hysteria with over stating temperatures on weather maps is very much the narrative being pedalled. I am in favour overtime to cut pollution and use of these fossil fuels etc, but anything we are doing here is a drop in the ocean compared to what China and India are churning out. There has to be a bit more common sense about matters.
The Met Office has stated that June was the hottest month on record here and that's since accurate measurements started being taken in 1884.
And `July will then be the coolest July in the recent past. There was guy once who used to forecast based on sun spots and analysing the sun and how volatile it was...
That line gets mentioned a lot, but it shouldn't matter where it comes from. Borders are meaningless to climate matters. We just need to clean up our act across the board. One big step to doing that is to stop thinking of it as a big hardship; it really doesn't need to be.
I can never understand why we debate so much on whether climate change is happening and the causes. The advantages of decarbonising seem to far outweigh the costs - less pollution, cheaper and more reliable energy (as long as we use a good mix of renewables) less reliance on unpredictable foreign governments (Russia, China etc). I think we should just crack on with it and get the advantages in place, lead on the tech, then sell it to the world.
I think a lot of people just don’t like change.
I think a lot of people just don’t like change.
Looks like July will be the coldest and wetest, it's bloody crap out there. AGAIN - STILL
It also completely ignores the fact that many of the emissions generated in China and India are created while producing all the stuff we in the West are ordering from them.
Here it's obviously ****e at the moment, but that's the difference between weather and climate.
I saw something on the news the other day suggesting that Internationally, this July will be the hottest for 120,000 years.
if we clean up our act etc here in the UK. What actual effect is it going to have on climate change? If we hit net zero by the timeframe targets we have said. Can anybody say what actual effect it's going to have, how much it will bring temps down or even stop them rising etc...?
We all need to be less wasteful in life full stop and take more care over things in general. But the whole "climate catastrophe" as the media and just stop oil tools call it is just an excuse to milk more money from people. If sea levels are going to raise that much for example then why are banks and financial institutions giving out 25/30yr mortgages etc on beach front properties or having wordings in those mortgages re losing your investment/property to rising sea levels?
Not saying there is or isn't climate change happening, just that words and actual actions in some cases don't match
We will definitely benefit from decarbonisation all round, but I highly doubt the cheaper energy will ever happen, businesses will just continue to charge what they do now etc. I think the only way it happens is if it's forced by governments, but on the flip side if we suddenly get this cleaner energy will the government stop the "green taxes"? I doubt that as well, at best it'll just have its name changed and we'll be taxed for something else. Plus if we go down the route of these new technologies like EVs for example, we are still going to be dealing with other unpredictable governments as we don't have the raw materials to make the EV batteries etc and once you dig into the mining needed for those raw materials, the cleaner argument becomes a lot less cut and dry. Not to mention the human rights and social issues of these mines..
The current level of sea rises is not going to have any impact on a 25-35 year mortgage, but if things continue as they are now, you'll not be able to get one forty years from now (or much less if the rate of warming continues to accelerate).
I don't know the answers to the questions in your first paragraph. I don't think it should be just in the UK though, everyone needs to sort their **** out and I think separating it into countries just slows everything down and gives people an excuse to do nothing. I don't care who does it first but the whole world needs to be greener asap. That's the important thing.
I'm not really sure what your point is in your second paragraph. Just Stop Oil are about making money? That's a bizarre thing to say. You may not like them, and of course many people don't, but they clearly are about raising awareness of environmental issues, not making money. I think it's also very clear that the forces who oppose them and the bodies who do so much of the environmental damage they campaign against, are the ones who make a lot of money doing it.
As I've alluded to, I do think some of the talk around sea levels and temperatures, particularly close to home, is exaggerated and/or selective and it does more harm than good. I don't believe Hull is soon going to be underwater for example, as many people say. So I agree with you to some extent but I think it's very dangerous to write off the entire debate as money-making. I think it's easily verifiable that those most motivated by money in the climate debate are the fossil fuel companies and those they sponsor to ensure they get to keep their status quo.
They've been saying that ever since I've been alive. Many islands and places should apparently have been under water years, even decades ago.
As for the hottest June internationally, see BTs posts. The manipulation is starting to be exposed.
Of course we should take better care though of our one and only planet, but what's happening here is plain stupid and money driven.
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