City transfer thread

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kccircle said:
All strikers struggle, regardless of whether they are British or not. Other than the really amazing strikers like Shearer, Wright, Owen, Fowler and dare I say it Rhodes there are very few who knock them in season after season. (1) If I was a chairman who owned a club and a striker scored 20 goals I'd sell him like a shot and look for the next one. Strikers rarely score +20 goals on back to back seasons.

So my stance on Gray stands. At £4m get him, but at £7m don't touch, especially with add ons. He might score 20 for Brentford, (2) but we should be looking at the lad they are replacing him with. Now that would be a story.
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(1) I'd wait until the end of the second season before selling, only if the striker scored 15 or less and we were in the same division for the first & second year.
(2) Brentford really don't want to sell Gray, which implies they'd be taking a punt on this unknown replacement for a known entity. Both have not played in this division. Let them take the bigger risk, not us. If he scores 20 for them, he'll score 20 for us. 3 million for a better chance at a very large prize is peanuts.
 
Chicago Fire are now out the cup after losing 1-0. I wouldn't be surprised if they are now open to selling Maloney as they no longer have anything to play for. Judging by Twitter reaction he had a bit of a shocker, lots of fans hoping we come back in
 
Mr. Hat said:
His 'fam' is probably 30 odd g stars in Wolverhampton. In providing for his family, it probably means paying for drug mules, buying weapons, covering the rent and the electricity bill for the house where they grow their marijuana, etc.
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See, they are reasonably law abiding.
 
SydneyTiger14 said:
Just by the way on the wages v transfer fee argument, people realise that 20k extra a week is only another 1m paid on a player, yes? So if we could sign a striker for, say, 5 million instead of 9 million, we could offer them an extra 80k a week to convince them to come here, and still only be paying the same outlay as the 9m striker.
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What do we do after one year?
 
kccircle said:
All strikers struggle, regardless of whether they are British or not. Other than the really amazing strikers like Shearer, Wright, Owen, Fowler and dare I say it Rhodes there are very few who knock them in season after season. If I was a chairman who owned a club and a striker scored 20 goals I'd sell him like a shot and look for the next one. Strikers rarely score +20 goals on back to back seasons.

So my stance on Gray stands. At £4m get him, but at £7m don't touch, especially with add ons. He might score 20 for Brentford, but we should be looking at the lad they are replacing him with. Now that would be a story.
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Maybe they wont tell us who he is until they sign him.
 
SydneyTiger14 said:
Good point. So over a standard 3 year contract, taking on a player who expects 20k more in wages would cost you 3m.

I was using it as an extreme example of the amount of wages per year you can offer more to a player for a lower transfer fee.

People are making out that wanting higher wages far out-weighs 2 or 3m in transfer fees which isn't necessarily true.

We'd presumably be offering Gray, what, 15/20k a week?
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I would suppose that football clubs look at things on a P&L A/c basis. They'd have each players wages and the proportion of the transfer fee spread over their contract as a cost for each month. They'd look at the future with some estimates of likely additions and departures. I think they understand transfers and wages. I assume when they talk about budgets they mean it by how I have described.
 
petersaxton said:
I would suppose that football clubs look at things on a P&L A/c basis. They'd have each players wages and the proportion of the transfer fee spread over their contract as a cost for each month. They'd look at the future with some estimates of likely additions and departures. I think they understand transfers and wages. I assume when they talk about budgets they mean it by how I have described.
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I have no doubt that's how they do it, especially with FFP amortising transfer fees over the life of the contract, my point was more that the standard response of "Well sure, the transfer fee is lower, but the wages would be higher." Doesn't always cut it when you actually do the Maths.
 
SydneyTiger14 said:
I have no doubt that's how they do it, especially with FFP amortising transfer fees over the life of the contract, my point was more that the standard response of "Well sure, the transfer fee is lower, but the wages would be higher." Doesn't always cut it when you actually do the Maths.
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It's interesting looking at what different clubs are prepared to pay. Southampton's match day income wouldn't have been a lot higher than ours but they would have got more revenue due to higher place in the league which is a chicken and egg scenario. They can sign Long for £12m and presumably pay him higher wages than us and yet only play him for a few minutes a match.
 
petersaxton said:
It's interesting looking at what different clubs are prepared to pay. Southampton's match day income wouldn't have been a lot higher than ours but they would have got more revenue due to higher place in the league which is a chicken and egg scenario. They can sign Long for £12m and presumably pay him higher wages than us and yet only play him for a few minutes a match.
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Their revenue is a lot higher than ours because of player sales though. They run their academy as a profit-making enterprise.
 
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