Brown

[bum_chinned_crab]

I'm aware of SAF's comments, I'm equally aware that far more than 50% of his signings have been successful and far less than 50% of Brownies were.

I've no issue with people defending Brownies record, particularly during the first half of his tenure, but to suggest that overall his signings were good is re-writing history. We paid millions for players we never played, we paid millions in wages to players not worth a quarter of what they were being paid(I accept that the wages were primarily Duffen's **** up, but you'd expect someone to say to Brownie 'are you sure Sonko's worth £28k a week and a loan fee?'), almost everyone we signed was a reject or a journeyman, we picked up almost nothing in the way of upcoming talent, despite somehow managing to run up a £40m wage bill. It was farcical.

Is this aimed at me? Cos if so I would love you to tell me where I said Brown's 'overall signings were good'. I merely challenged the points that Brown got us relegated (in which i was correct) and that Brown 'didn't waste more on complete rubbish' than any other manager (in which I was correct).

 

[The FRENCH TICKLER]

Do you really think PB wanted to ...elling MT, Thats when our PL fate was sealed.

 

[PLT]

NO, but PB should have stood his ground and said that if Turner goes i go. Thats when our PL fate was sealed.

Seriously, we didn't have a choice. I agree completely that the season was over once we sold him (I actually said at the time that without Turner we wouldn't win an away game that season) but it wasn't something anyone wanted to do, we needed some money to pay the wages. Sunderland probably knew that which is why they got him so cheap.

 

[Proud Tiger]

Ha Ha Classic

 

[HullFlagFlyingHigh]

They were once doing articles on the telly about him being a future England manager, now he's getting sacked by PNE hahaha.

 

[The FRENCH TICKLER]

Seriously, we didn't have a choice. I agree completely that the season was over once we sold him (I actually said at the time that without Turner we wouldn't win an away game that season) but it wasn't something anyone wanted to do, we needed some money to pay the wages. Sunderland probably knew that which is why they got him so cheap.

yes but he should then have exposed the likes of RB/PD to the fans. Lets face it we all knew or most of us did what was going on. Turner himself has since confirmed as much and that he did not want to be a part of the Hull City Death in the PL. MT hated DufferMan and as Deano said at one of his nights ""the dressing room spirit had gone"". Alot of that was also down to brown abnd his ego. In life you reap what you soe and now Brown has got his.

 

[dem_on]

What a lovely Christmas present..................................... The only way is up for the "Self Proclaimed Messiah" I would suggest a schoolgirl eleven which is about equal to his capabilities as a man manager.

Ps... But not in Hull he lowered the tone of the great City.

 

[Chiltons222]

In fairness Stoke did a similar thing, they signed about 50 players the summer we both went up and most of them are unheard of now. The only difference was that they had an owner who genuinely was rich unlike ours. Meaning they could replace the crap signings with better ones and we had to make do with the likes of Gardner, Ghilas, etc.

The damage was done before we sold Turner, he had to be sold to pay that month's wages, it was the ridiculous signings we'd made over the course of 2009 up until then that were the problem.

That’s’ right. There is something not logical in the thread here here about signings. All those has-been’s we signed somehow managed to get us near the top of the EPL and stay there up to October in that first season.

It cannot have been easy to attract young up and coming superstars to Hull, especially those with EPL experience. Wonder how much they would have cost? After all Frazier Campbell is a good example and he didn’t want to know did he? I suspect many other young would-be superstars never fancied Hull doing anything either. They had hardly heard of Phil Brown and the club had no history of doing a lot. They certainly weren’t breaking down our door. So what were we left with, players towards the of their career? Certainly so, but to start with they didn’t do a bad job.

The transfer windows play into agents and the big clubs hands, the team needed strengthening for that second season and a lot of errors were made as a bit of panic set in as we needed players who would actually come to Hull. But to say we signed all the worst players ever to play in the EPL is not right.

 

[x]

Well I totally forget about it, cos I really don't remember Brown taking us down.

no but he did more to get us into a crap position than anyone else did and showed no signs at all of getting us out of the crap position.

Criticise him for what he did, and there's a lot to criticise, but let's not change history eh? There were plenty of games left and we were in touch when Brown was sacked.

ah! you mean he would have miraculously got us out of the crap position!

not a chance.

i read somewhere that we would have had to equal our best run of the season to get the points we needed. struggling sides with no confidence and inadequate players and a ropy manager dont do that.

if you want to kid yourself that we would have accelerated our point acquisition rate for those last few games then you are deluding only yourself.

 

[The FRENCH TICKLER]

That’s’ right. There is something not logical in the thread here here about signings. All those has-been’s we signed somehow managed to get us near the top of the EPL and stay there up to October in that first season.

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Of the players that got Hull City into the top 10 of the PL by December 2008 mainly considted of the players who got us promoted. McShane - Zayette - Boetang - Geovanni- King and Cousin joined the promotion winners and the subs bench was also a mix of the old and new. It was what followed from there. How Brown treated the players as the naughty step became a patio. Week by week the dressing room spirit was lost. The soul of the club was dying and that was down to Brown. Phil Brown destroyed much quicker anything that he had since built. The stats and facts dont lie do they.

 

[The FRENCH TICKLER]

my ONLY criticism of him is when he did the half time team talk on the pitch. That seemed to humiliate them and strip them of confidence.
yes he is confident and maybe rightfully so, cos we were third in the PL, BUT there is a fine line between confidence and arrogance.

oh come on. that manchester city thing has been way over hyped and mainly by the media. when i asked Turner about it he laughed and said he was not listening. looking at the photo's of it not many others were either.

 

[Nick HCAFC]

The point is that Phil Brown was awful after the First PL season. But we have moved on now. Thank goodness.

I think you should amend that to 'from the first Premiership season' I wish him well no matter what, and thats a lot of whats

 

[DJBlackandamberarmy(No4)]

tried not to get involved in this as its been done to death
but i wish people would stop blaming him for players wages, that isnt his decision!

see harry redknapp last transfer deadline talking about cahill, he was desperate to get him, and admitted he wanted to do whatever it took!
his chairman stood strong and refused to pay what was being asked, so harry lost out!, no matter what brown was thinking we should be offering players, it wasnt his decision to sign off, or it shouldnt have been!

 

[petersaxton]

In fairness Stoke did a similar thing, they signed about 50 players the summer we both went up and most of them are unheard of now. The only difference was that they had an owner who genuinely was rich unlike ours. Meaning they could replace the crap signings with better ones and we had to make do with the likes of Gardner, Ghilas, etc.

The damage was done before we sold Turner, he had to be sold to pay that month's wages, it was the ridiculous signings we'd made over the course of 2009 up until then that were the problem.

If you think that selling Turner to pay one months wages was justified I have to disagree. That decision alone got us relegated. I'm sure there would have been ways to raise £4 million pounds that didn't involve selling our best player for a pittance.

 

[The FRENCH TICKLER]

I think you should amend that to 'from the first Premiership season' I wish him well no matter what, and thats a lot of whats

i give him credit upto 2009. from Jan 2009 onwards his star burned OUT. but City are in a much better place now.

 

[petersaxton]

tried not to get involved in this as its been done to death
but i wish people would stop blaming him for players wages, that isnt his decision!

see harry redknapp last transfer deadline talking about cahill, he was desperate to get him, and admitted he wanted to do whatever it took!
his chairman stood strong and refused to pay what was being asked, so harry lost out!, no matter what brown was thinking we should be offering players, it wasnt his decision to sign off, or it shouldnt have been!

A manager should have a budget and he should pick value for money players. Saying wages are nothing to do with a manager is not realistic. A manager may not negotiate the deal but they should have an idea of the likely cost.

 

[The FRENCH TICKLER]

If you think that selling Turner to pay one months wages was justified I have to disagree. That decision alone got us relegated. I'm sure there would have been ways to raise £4 million pounds that didn't involve selling our best player for a pittance.

WELL SAID. Its all done with now and Hull City have moved on. Better days are now here again. Great to be a Tiger.

 

[Chiltons222]

If you think that selling Turner to pay one months wages was justified I have to disagree. That decision alone got us relegated. I'm sure there would have been ways to raise £4 million pounds that didn't involve selling our best player for a pittance.

You're on the right track, but we are not in a position to know are we? I suspect only Bartlett's Bank, his accountants and maybe financial advisor would know. If the Bank tells you to sell an asset before the stupid transfer window closes because you don't have time to find another source (another loan or selling your house) I'm afraid you have to do it. A Bank loan secured on assets is just that and they can pull the plug at a days notice, believe me I know!

 

[King Curtis]

I just had a call from a mate of mine who works on the Humber Bridge, Brownie is currently there, talking himself down.

 

[King Curtis]

Originally Posted by alexpne18
It had to happen, I feel the fans would have given him more time if he didn't pick crazy tactics and played players in the right positions. Posted on PNE online enough said

Now when have I heard that before? The sacking comes as no suprise, PNE would have expected to be challenging for promotion and their season up to now has been a disappointment.