Off Topic BREXIT

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How will you be voting?

  • Remain

    Votes: 89 46.1%

  • Leave

    Votes: 104 53.9%
  • Total voters
    193
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TryfanTyger said:
How about voting for what I think is (probably) the best for everyone?




Which is what I hope I am doing.
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Clearly not what your dad thinks is best. Do you think it is possible to do the best for everyone?
 
Happy Tiger said:
By that measure, you shouldn't vote because the alternative is the left wing press, which is as bad as the right wing ones, and you're agreeing with Corbyn and Cameron and Osbourne, 2 of which will be happy to kill the NHS off.

Aaaaaand the chant of the no decent argument or facts, playing the racist card.

I know I'm not xenophobic, nor am I a Little Englander. Its ****e like that from the hysterical side of the argument that's convinced me we need to be out.
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Left to his own devices, Corbyn would vote Leave but the same party membership that put him where he is insist on him advocating Remain. And I'm more worried that the EU will privatise the NHS via their public sector procurement legislation, than the slim chance of Cameron and Osbourne ever doing so.

God only knows what will happen if we vote to leave the EU - we might even get to see the EU attempt to prevent us from leaving, just as they overruled the democratic vote in Greece. The economy might boom - it might go bust. The EU might react petulantly and attempt to punish us via trade, or they might be entirely pragmatic, given the parlous state of the EU economy, and allow us to continue to trade under current rules while accepting us taking control back of our immigration. Nobody really knows what is going to happen. I'm still voting Out, though, for the fundamental reason that I do not believe it is a very good idea to have 28 unelected and largely unaccountable men - some of questionable character - write all the legislation for over half a billion people. I mean, what could go wrong with that? FFS.
 
City Man said:
It's never been clear to why we need foreigners in the NHS to make it work. We are constantly lectured that the 'NHS would collapse without foreign workers'. Surely it's not ethical for our govt to cherry pick health professionals from other countries, many of whom need their medical expertise more than we do.
Surely we can align university/vocational study courses with personnel needed in the NHS to create a win/win situation for future generations?
I note that many of the ****s who want IN have a vested interest in keeping wages low, house prices high, building more houses, importing more of their relatives and making this country a more crowded and unpleasant place. I can't see how many people from Hull would favour an IN, and from anecdotal experience they don't.
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I have had some fantastic treatment from staff from the EU and further afield

It was a polish consultant who spotted my lymphoma had come back about 5 months ago when two other specialists said the big lump on my back was a fatty lump.

Got sent for radiotherapy and was told i was back in remission again yesterday.

Me 3 - cancer 0

So i am sure glad the consultant / hemotolagist from poland is working over here.
 
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CITYfiley said:
I have had some fantastic treatment from staff from the EU and further afield

It was a polish consultant who spotted my lymphoma had come back about 5 months ago when two other specialists said the big lump on my back was a fatty lump.

Got sent for radiotherapy and was told i was back in remission again yesterday.

Me 3 - cancer 0

So i am sure glad the consultant / hemotolagist from poland is working over here.
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Good news from a close call. <ok>

Doctors, scientists, engineers, whatever WE need would be welcome under controlled circumstances. We don't need to be European Community members to make that happen, whether temporarily or permemantly.
 
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armchairfan said:
Actually because of the electoral system we have a minority government rules because the opposition is always split. So to say 'we voted' for who is in charge is disingenuous.
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'We' keep voting to effectively keep that electoral system, because 'we' don't vote for people or parties that would change it. 'We' are voting within the rules that are set at the moment and are choosing to do nothing to change it.
I'm absolutely not a fan of the current system, but until 'we' do something about that then it's our fault
...Come the revolution Brother ;)
 
City Man said:
Letter in paper tonight signed by usual thick ****s (Inglis, Bayes, Hale etc) on behalf of Project Fear demanding we vote IN.
That's a few more OUT voters recruited then
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Same old, same old. Politicians stink the place out, they only turn up on your doorstep when they're desperate for that little cross!

OUT!
 
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Julian Edelman said:
Anyway why have we got politics thread.
We wasn't allowed for general election.
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We did have one for the general election and it was because that one remained civil, we agreed to the rules being suspended again for the referendum.

Personally, I'd rather this had been done on voting day, as we did with the election and as we said we would for the referendum, but it's done now.
 
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I'm voting in. If only because leaving somebody like David Cameron in sole charge of our country is suicide, the thought of Boris Johnson standing side by side with Donald Trump is a worrying one indeed. And yes, there are enough stupid people in the country to make that happen.
 
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I just feel the EU are like a load of city bankers! They'll throw money at countries (Greece, Ireland, Portugal) then come over the BIG I AM when they can't pay & start telling them they've got to make harsh cuts on their own people to keep up their payments! GB is a business and sometimes businesses have to down size to cut costs & see where money is being lost! Once in a life time vote this people! OUT :emoticon-0148-yes:
 
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CITYfiley said:
I have had some fantastic treatment from staff from the EU and further afield

It was a polish consultant who spotted my lymphoma had come back about 5 months ago when two other specialists said the big lump on my back was a fatty lump.

Got sent for radiotherapy and was told i was back in remission again yesterday.

Me 3 - cancer 0

So i am sure glad the consultant / hemotolagist from poland is working over here.
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Leaving the EU wouldn't affect doctors working in the NHS, though the majority of immigrants working in the NHS aren't actually from the EU.
 
dennisboothstash said:
I'm not sure why anyone's excited really

I know they've called it a referendum, but any decision would have to be passed as an act of Parliament and around 70% of MPs are in the remain camp

So it might not get passed in parliament regardless, and actually as far as democratic process I think that's the right thing. We voted for the people in parliament to represent us, not to ask us our opinion on everything. They should do what they're paid for, not defer it to us because it's a tricky choice
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You're not seriously suggesting that the result of the referendum might be overruled?

The result is the result, they're obviously going to have to accept it.
 
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